Why do casuals act as if it's the end of the world when suggesting?

[Rilifane]

Nobody is being forced to do anything though. The game is advertised as being an easy "for everyone" kinda game. It has never even tried to claim it was some kind of hardcore-game. The devs have continually made it very clear that they want to cast as wide a net as possible and get as many players in this game as possible, which means designing for non-gamers.

To claim that the base game is supposed to be hard or that it's dumbed down is just not the reality. It's designed to be super-accessible and easy; claiming it's supposed to be hard is like going into a Wendy's and complaining that we're forced to eat burgers.

I love playing harder games and I love me some Tacos, and I often go for those things. But this ain't it. This is..well.. a Wendy's.

All that said, your ideas for general midcore stuff.. I'd be down personally. But I know a lot of people in my circle of friends that even midcore stuff would be dead on arrival. I think the devs know what content people are doing, and are making more of what is successful.

I didn't say the game is supposed to be hard or hardcore nor did I ask for it to become hard, did I?
So I don't get what you are argueing here.

Don't jump to conclusions or put words in my mouth and then argueing against them just because I used the word hard in relation to single-player games. I explicitely mentioned that the game lacks midcore content.

[Caitlyn]

When it comes to difficulty, Savage, Ex and Ultimate are totally fine. Same for most leveling dungeons.

But any dungeon on 50/60/70/80/90 needs to be harder. They are so easy, you cant even wipe them. Having a WAR in your group, who needs a healer? Ironically, those dungeons are labeled as "expert" dungeons. This moment when the hard mode is easier than the normal mode.

And 24 man raids are way to easy, too. In a normal group, you spent maybe 20 mins in it. But if feels like an eternity, because each boss fight is just doing damage, do one heal and maybe make a step to the side. I would prefer an intense 5 min boss fight over a boring 10 min boss fight.

[Tehmon]

And 24 man raids are way to easy, too. In a normal group, you spent maybe 20 mins in it. But if feels like an eternity, because each boss fight is just doing damage, do one heal and maybe make a step to the side. I would prefer an intense 5 min boss fight over a boring 10 min boss fight.

You say this, but the queues for these alliance raids takes absolutely forever outside of CT. Are you saying people don't queue for these raids because they are too slow and too easy?

[Rilifane]

You say this, but the queues for these alliance raids takes absolutely forever outside of CT. Are you saying people don't queue for these raids because they are too slow and too easy?

CT is part of the MSQ and the default way to unlock alli raid roulette which gives a good chunk of exp and tomes.
Naturally way more people are only eligible for CT but will regularly do alli raid roulette on sub 90 classes, thus locking the group they land in to CT. Aglaia offers a coin and one item once per week and while glam farmers are not exactly uncommon in Aglaia the pool of players is far, far smaller than for CT.
It's a matter of simple logic and has nothing to with whether Aglaia is difficult or not.

[Tehmon]

CT is part of the MSQ and the default way to unlock alli raid roulette which gives a good chunk of exp and tomes.
Naturally way more people are only eligible for CT but will regularly do alli raid roulette on sub 90 classes, thus locking the group they land in to CT. Aglaia offers a coin and one item once per week and while glam farmers are not exactly uncommon in Aglaia the pool of players is far, far smaller than for CT.
It's a matter of simple logic and has nothing to with whether Aglaia is difficult or not.

Aglaia is actually very active and it doesn't take long to find players, I'm moreso talking about the HW-SB-ShB alliance raids, which took me forever to queue for. Furthermore there were several times where people canceled their queue, I assume because it wasn't CT they were getting in their roulette.

Either way, if there is a considerable amount of people seeking harder than casual content, you'd think they have the all alliance raids unlocked, because that is the closest to '' midcore '' content we have imo. But for whatever reason people aren't unlocking them actively, or... not wanting to play them?

[Rilifane]

Aglaia is actually very active and it doesn't take long to find players, I'm moreso talking about the HW-SB-ShB alliance raids, which took me forever to queue for. Furthermore there were several times where people canceled their queue, I assume because it wasn't CT they were getting in their roulette.

Either way, if there is a considerable amount of people seeking harder than casual content, you'd think they have the all alliance raids unlocked, because that is the closest to '' midcore '' content we have imo. But for whatever reason people aren't unlocking them actively, or... not wanting to play them?

The same rule still applies to HW/ SB/ ShB alli raids.
CT is mandatory so even the smallest amount of the playerbase not unlocking HW/ SB/ ShB already reduces the pool of players eligible for it. CT is available at 50 while the other alli raids are 60/70/80 further reducing the pool of players by a signifcant amount the higher up you go.
A single person sub 60 is enough to lock 23 other people into CT and it doesn't matter if 23 other people could also get other alli raids in their roulette and roulette is still the biggest reason to do alli raids, that has nothing to do with difficulty.

I know you're trying really hard to argue that nobody needs more midcore content because the alli raid queue times clearly prove that it's not wanted with that really, really subtle "or... not wanting to play them?" but use some logic.
I have all alli raids unlocked and I rarely get anything other than CT because I always have a few people that are sub 60. I'd love to see Ivalice and Nier more often alas the playerpool for them is simply a lot smaller by nature.

[Tehmon]

The same rule still applies to HW/ SB/ ShB alli raids.
CT is mandatory so even the smallest amount of the playerbase not unlocking HW/ SB/ ShB already reduces the pool of players eligible for it. CT is available at 50 while the other alli raids are 60/70/80 further reducing the pool of players by a signifcant amount the higher up you go.
A single person sub 60 is enough to lock 23 other people into CT and it doesn't matter if 23 other people could also get other alli raids in their roulette and roulette is still the biggest reason to do alli raids, that has nothing to do with difficulty.

I know you're trying really hard to argue that nobody needs more midcore content because the alli raid queue times clearly prove that it's not wanted with that really, really subtle "or... not wanting to play them?" but use some logic.
I have all alli raids unlocked and I rarely get anything other than CT because I always have a few people that are sub 60. I'd love to see Ivalice and Nier more often alas the playerpool for them is simply a lot smaller by nature.

I don't know why you're acting all antagonistic towards me and saying I'm not thinking logically..

It is perfectly understandable and good to make a point about wanting more mid-level content in terms of difficulty. All I am trying to point out is that the mid-level content that does exist in the game currently doesn't seem to be actively sought out and played as the rest of the easier content, putting into question how big of an issue this is overall, and how much time and effort should developers put into fixing this issue.

Your argument is that people don't play this content solely because they haven't unlocked it (yet).
I am saying that I disagree somewhat, and that the reason people don't actively play them is because the effort needed to put into them isn't worth their time. What I am also saying is that if this specific issue you are presenting is as big of a glaring flaw in the game that needs fixing immediately, the lack of people playing actively queueing in for said content doesn't seem to make a good case for your argument, and that the addition of harder '' casual '' content is not a thing that doesn't come with it's issues that need to be addressed.

I am not saying that the game doesn't need said content. What I am saying is that it doesn't seem to be this huge issue that majority of the playerbase is concerned about, making it a question of what content should be increased in difficulty, how do we implement said increase in difficulty and what should we look out for as we increase difficulty, what negative effects does it have on the player base and their enjoyment.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

When it comes to difficulty, Savage, Ex and Ultimate are totally fine. Same for most leveling dungeons.

But any dungeon on 50/60/70/80/90 needs to be harder. They are so easy, you cant even wipe them. Having a WAR in your group, who needs a healer? Ironically, those dungeons are labeled as "expert" dungeons. This moment when the hard mode is easier than the normal mode.

And 24 man raids are way to easy, too. In a normal group, you spent maybe 20 mins in it. But if feels like an eternity, because each boss fight is just doing damage, do one heal and maybe make a step to the side. I would prefer an intense 5 min boss fight over a boring 10 min boss fight.

Im sorry, but I witness proof that goes against everything you have just said on a daily basis. Wipes in 4 person content, wipes to ancient flares, wipes to curtain calls, wipes galore in Neir raids etc. And no its not always my fault, and in fact rarely is but I can hear someone already saying its because im in the group haha.

Get Titania with a couple new people? Plan on being there until the end of the clock. Dun Scaith first boss? People leave, wipe, etc. Maybe your data center is just that much hardcore and thats fine. Oh and Diablos wipes are super common and the thunder god and the three sisters in the tower of babel. I keep editing and thinking of more each time that are often disasters so I will just stop.

[Ivtrix]

Im sorry, but I witness proof that goes against everything you have just said on a daily basis. Wipes in 4 person content, wipes to ancient flares, wipes to curtain calls, wipes galore in Neir raids etc. And no its not always my fault, and in fact rarely is but I can hear someone already saying its because im in the group haha.

Get Titania with a couple new people? Plan on being there until the end of the clock. Dun Scaith first boss? People leave, wipe, etc. Maybe your data center is just that much hardcore and thats fine. Oh and Diablos wipes are super common and the thunder god and the three sisters in the tower of babel. I keep editing and thinking of more each time that are often disasters so I will just stop.

???

None of this happens on crystal. Are you sure? You play on Primal, the hardcore raiding server.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

???

None of this happens on crystal. Are you sure? You play on Primal, the hardcore raiding server.

Yep I promise. I have no reason to lie.

Its not ALWAYS like this, some runs are fast smooth and ez but its disastrous often enough to prove that we really are at the max already for content difficulty without losing a significant amount of people.