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    Player EaraGrace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    In its day the Eve online forums were largely positive and very friendly.. made that infamous learning curve much much easier to deal with because of how positive and helpful the forums were..
    Looking at the Eve forums today I don’t see much positivity, but I’ll take your word for it that it was better back then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    There's also a lot of positivity here. Much of it gets overlooked though because it breaks the golden rule of feedback.

    There are only 2 types of feedback.. many assume that they are positive feedback, and negative feedback, that is wrong.. the 2 types of feed back are 1, constructive feedback, and 2, worthless feedback. Positive or negative it doesn't matter.

    Saying "this game is amazing" is worthless feedback. In exactly the same way saying "this game is crap" is.

    It's not constructive. What exactly is amazing? And why? Just saying it's amazing is meaningless. You could be saying this game has the very best housing system you've ever seen... or that the whm is a super fun and complex job...
    It’s clear the forum and, as I was saying before, all game forums have a problem with being slanted in specific direction. Namely a proliferation of subjective, unhelpful negative feedback. I’ll go as far as to say that applies to most of the feedback shared on the forum today. Any criticism of the criticism is then shouted down and cycle of negativity continues. None of this is constructive or helpful.

    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    I am active within various "communities" for FFXIV as well, and see many various opinions and feedback; even on some of the most positive groups, there's admission that things have been releasing, lately, in a less-than-perfect state. Even Yoshi-P has provided a statement admitting as much.
    In your flailing around to defend yourself on an online forum of EW "doomsayers," at the very least, you could keep track of what the developers are saying. Your "perspective" isn't as infallibly broad as you think it is.
    And people ripped Shadowbringers. And Stormblood. And Heavensward. And ARR. The issue isn’t critique it’s proclaiming that the game is dying or is in a uniquely bad state when it isn’t. That’s the problem with “doomsaying.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    And people ripped Shadowbringers. And Stormblood. And Heavensward. And ARR.
    Good.

    Meanwhile people were also declaring perfection for those same expansion. It's been a broad sea of remarks, and there's nothing wrong with any of it.

    The issue isn’t critique it’s proclaiming that the game is dying or is in a uniquely bad state when it isn’t. That’s the problem with “doomsaying.”
    I'd say the issue is that we have people mistaking presented feedback with variable emotional quality as "doomsaying" because they take personal issue with the feedback, either in the quality in how it's presented, or because of who, specifically, presented the feedback, or because it doesn't match exactly how the reader feels. There's actually quite a bit of constructive feedback about issues that are brought up, and the potential for discussion is generally there, but the "doomsaying" and "whiteknighting" happens when someone goes into a thread with the idea of trying to police others thoughts and opinions, and not actually discuss the topic at hand.
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