SAM players are quitting

[Kaz_Starblade]

I don't know who in SE thought that these changes were anything other than bad for the players that enjoy playing the class.

Removal of Kaiten just makes the class feel empty now with no use for Kenki other than burning it on Shinten spam. At this point might as well get rid of it.

Additionally the potency nerfs on our big hitters just makes you feel bad every time you play the class. The class was perfectly fine in 6.08 which makes these changes even more baffling seeing the state of Ninja, Gunbreaker etc.

SE should just revert the class like it was back in 6.08. Now it just feels like a chore when you play it. I hope they listen to all this feedback that the players are giving them even though that maybe just me being on Copium at this point.

[Kira_Yaeger]

Essentially what happened was the same exact thing that happened with the third party addon bs that has been happening. A group of people yelled loud enough and the said "Oh no please! We'll fix it for you! Don't go!" Completely shitting on their old playerbase for new players that do one dungeons a week and sometimes a map or two. This time it was terribad SAM players that were malding when they uploaded their *censored* and didn't see a shiny number so they blamed the game instead of improving themselves.

[Yeastyloins]

So you're saying that there are no SAM players, who still enjoy the job post-kaiten removal? The posts here on the forums from SAM players, are a very minute fraction of the total base amount of SAM players across the playerbase of FFXIV, so taking the voices of the few, to speak for the many, is absurd.

I don't see people gushing on youtube, reddit, the Balance Discord, the FF14 Discord, the Hunt Train Discord about these changes either.

[Soge01]

I don't see people gushing on youtube, reddit, the Balance Discord, the FF14 Discord, the Hunt Train Discord about these changes either.

And on youtube, FFXIV streamers were actually just as confused as the rest of the playerbase about the Samurai changes and didn't understand why the changes were being made in the first place or even who asked for them.

[weebtext]

I'm not a SAM main by any means, but I did enjoy playing it every now and again. After these recent changes I don't have a desire to play it anymore...

[ThorneDynasty]

Essentially what happened was the same exact thing that happened with the third party addon bs that has been happening. A group of people yelled loud enough and the said "Oh no please! We'll fix it for you! Don't go!" Completely shitting on their old playerbase for new players that do one dungeons a week and sometimes a map or two. This time it was terribad SAM players that were malding when they uploaded their *censored* and didn't see a shiny number so they blamed the game instead of improving themselves.

It's always fun to see people demanding brainkilling jobs for basically easier parsing, when said people barely even play the job. And knowing that's exactly who SE will listen to.

Like do people not realize not everyone can be top 1% or even top 50%? That's why it's called the top. Begging to lower the ceiling doesn't actually make it easier to be there, it's just becomes less meaningful and probably dependent on RNG. Which I guess why the sudden obsession with reducing crit% importance. When you dumb down the jobs to the level where it's just random factors that differentiate performance suddenly the slight RNG variance becomes the culprit in this forest-for-the-trees idiocy.

[DPZ2]

It's always fun to see people demanding brainkilling jobs for basically easier parsing, when said people barely even play the job. And knowing that's exactly who SE will listen to.

Personally, I haven't come across any of those forum threads ... the ones demanding jobs become brainkilling ... the ones created by people barely able to play a certain job.

Are you certain you're reading the same forums that I am?

Or are you referring to 5chan? Reddit? Twitter? Discord?

I've read a lot of complaints in some of those, but never actually found a lot of people asking for braindead rotations to make it easier to perform well.

[Ruminous]

Personally, I haven't come across any of those forum threads ... the ones demanding jobs become brainkilling ... the ones created by people barely able to play a certain job.

Are you certain you're reading the same forums that I am?

Or are you referring to 5chan? Reddit? Twitter? Discord?

I've read a lot of complaints in some of those, but never actually found a lot of people asking for braindead rotations to make it easier to perform well.

There's a few people on this forum who have championed the changes like they're the thing that keeps them from playing the job, but without the barriers they can now play it. Not that there are many barriers to begin with, of course.

[FrogBiscuit]

I don't see people gushing on youtube, reddit, the Balance Discord, the FF14 Discord, the Hunt Train Discord about these changes either.

Don't worry about HolyReign. He's just been dedicatedly trolling this topic as soon as the opportunity was available to him.


Don't expect a single good faith argument from the guy. Its more then obvious even from his most recent post here with his incredibly flawed logic trying to imply that only SAM players speaking out are the only ones not happy with the change.

If he took a minute away from his thoughtless trolling, he may see that his stance that the issues are only from a vocal minority is comically moronic at best. You know... considering the numbers of people actually speaking out (a very large number of JP, CH, and KR players speaking out as well) not to mention the reflective shrinking and pitiful numbers of SAM players in end game content... Those two points alone should be enough to make him feel utterly silly about what he was posting...


He is simply ignoring simple factors like recorded player trends in a desperate attempt to not disqualify his own perspective with basic information.

Just put the troll on ignore and the topic can move on without really interacting with people who only have juvenile, antagonistic tendencies.


I can only see his low wattage hot takes in other people's quotes now.

[Kazamaiya]

I am once again adding my voice into the support of the Samurai players out there.
I have never really been a SAM main myself, but i used to really adore the playstyle in 6.0/08 as it was one of my favourite melee DPS jobs along with DRG and MNK, so seeing the Devs going ham on removing something as impactful and feelgood as kaiten feels real bad now.
Hasn't been my first rodeo on a job i love getting a meaty boot (BRD and DRK ) but it still doesn't feel any better the third time it happens. With the statement of 'fixing' up DRG, i am uneasy about how they're gonna mess it up just like they did SAM and NIN this patch. Haven't really played much lately and Kaiten removal is a contribution to that. I'm gonna stick with you all through this until SAM gets the justice it deserves.

Bring back Kaiten, it added way more than it subtracted from the Gameplay experience, and again. Who were these changes intended for??