Do NOT bring Kaiten back

[Ransu]

More the reason why remove unnecessary abilities & buff what’s needed makes a nice-go, hence why Kaiten was selected.

Who took the jam out of your donut?

Coming from the player who doesn't know how to play the game? Sorry, I've put you in the "ignore everything" category as you have no value to add to any conversation.

[Vencio]

But I am playing the game, not sure how you quantify “playing the game” with experience

[Ransu]

Playing the game and knowing what you're doing are pretty significant differences. You do not know what you're doing based on all of your replies. Between your opinions on kaiten and your blatant ignorance on third eye....its best if people just ignore you.

[YukiB]

I don’t know,

Third eye is just redundantly useless & needs to go as well

More the reason why remove unnecessary abilities & buff what’s needed makes a nice-go, hence why Kaiten was selected.

Who took the jam out of your donut?

How many abilities would you like each job to have?

Just need to know where you want to stop trimming.

[FrogBiscuit]

Of all moves, Third Eye is the next choice select people are putting forward for removal?

At this point, they can foolishly deny it till they are blue in the face, but its clear this is just malicious trolling at this point. Either that, or these people are hoping for the the game to be entirely changed from what it was to something entirely else, point and click easy. Think we are dealing with a level of self centered-ness that can be rationalized, or even communicated with.

Never my intent to insult or demean others myself... (call out foolishness, yes...) but removing third eye is just as idiotic as removing kaiten.

Don't have anything else to call it other then trolling when the suggestions are to effectively remove any skill that gives flavor and specific game feeling to a class.


You don't use Third Eye? Fine... Your loss. Just because you don't take advantage of something thats available to you, doesn't make it useless. It just means you have more to learn regarding the class, are just lazy and bad, or... well... we're circling back around to the 'obvious troll'.

[FrogBiscuit]

How many abilities would you like each job to have?

Just need to know where you want to stop trimming.

I know its been said SE doesn't really visit these forums...


But its my own juvenile hope that SE will see posts, like ones from this guy, realize that he is effectively a representation of their 6.1 change... And feel so incredibly foolish and regrettable about how they could make game direction decisions that are essentially in line with what Vencio has been posting...
Have a moment of self awareness and see the glaring divide in the facts expressed by the lopsided sides of this debate...
And then give a public apology, SAM is reverted back to before 6.1, and SE expresses to the player base that they understand how completely blind their homogenization and simplification approach across all the classes has been. How limited in planning and how reflective of other massive mmo failures it is, and starts to revert back to each class having fun, unique identities... Including Tanks and Healers.


The most unlikely of delusions... But while we are sitting here with out kaiten and trolls are requesting third eye be next... its fun to dream.

[Vencio]

It is not what I ‘ve deemed which abilities should be removed & which ones to be buffed or merged despite stating I don’t see the use for third eye as the premise behind that seems far to put focus on whilst in the middle of conducting my combos.

It was not within my domain obviously to have Kaiten removed prior to 6.1 but do I endorse? Absolutely.

Being a console player I don’t see the point of having more additional skills into my hot bar & certainly will NOT add an extra hot bar on the side or more as I like visualize focus & appreciate the gameplay experience within the game & have attentiveness to my avatar’s surroundings. Therefore this is why I support to have less abilities, merged & buff the ones still active.

I am very pragmatic & just stick to straightforward solutions. I don’t expect anyone to be onboard with me or speaking on anyone’s behalf; just me, why not?

Regarding Kaiten being removed has helped me to focus more on SAM far than before.

Apparently this cause a “civil unrest” unto me due to simply….objecting otherwise, particularly those that heavily invest themselves beyond the game as though its a holy relic of some sorts (mostly PC players I pressume & those within the “savage” domain).

Why in the world am I being a called a Troll? i seriously don’t have a clue….just only saw reactions & previously this was mentioned before on other posts, to have equally met hostility & labelling of course.

My stance & approaches may have been misinterpreted or rather came to upfront, and so has anyone’s.

Truly this is becoming no different than WoW’s community, and glad some people here truly showed their true colors as I have & really I have nothing to hide from my avatar’s achievements profile or forum posts as certain individuals (without mentioning names) has quantified my overall comprehension of SAM & gameplay experience.

All in all,

This is where we at, at limbo!

[xAFROx]

Third Eye isn't bloat. It's an oGCD mitigation that gives an extra bit of gauge. It used to also grant a counter that was cheaper and on par with Shinten, as far as Kenki is concerned.

Kaiten was something that allowed for actual gauge management on a kit that hardly needs to do any sort of gauge managing at all. Without it, there's nothing to pool and nothing to think about. The job is more brainless than it used to be and the reward for doing our combos and building up Sen is barely a reward anymore as those same combos do the exact same damage as the iaijutsu.

There's a lot wrong with the design as far as class fantasy goes. No one has argued that it doesn't do well. The problem is the feeling. Like... like if you were to get a cheeseburger that naturally comes with all the usual condiments... but those condiments are just not there anymore.

You still have a cheeseburger, but its less than it should be. You can still eat it, and you can still enjoy the taste. But you know it's not what it was or should be.

Your strict adherence to the idea that the devs taking things away from us is good isn't bad. It's just different. But you telling us we're whining, or that we should get over it, or that we should just accept what we don't want, while also advocating for more removal is setting a lot of people off.

The way something is phrased matters, so if you're really genuine about expressing these differing opinions, maybe do so without coming across as antagonistic or condescending.

You'll get less pushback from folks that way.

Also keep in mind folks have grown frustrated over the extended silence from the devs. That's another reason why most of us are taking such comments with a lot of resistance.

[ThorneDynasty]

SE is already at that point sadly. All you have to do is look at what happened to Healers to see that. Admittedly, DPS players account for a massive chunk of the playerbase so things might actually get changed back but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

My hopium is that that they finally overreached by going after the DPS too, and the outrage will finally catch up and make them reconsider their design priorities and what they have done to healers and half the tanks.

Shut up, let me dream.

[AsiTsurugi]

Regarding Kaiten being removed has helped me to focus more on SAM far than before.

The "SAM focus" in 4 hours/week average gameplay time, mostly spent in PvP? lol

How do I know? This way: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5958254