They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[VerdeLuck]

the we cant do it thing, said in so many games but just takes the right person to make it happen. Its something they use as a awnser all too on stuff they dont wana put in the effort to do

It's not that they can't do it, they won't because of the exact reasons people in this thread have listed for wanting it.
They don't want harassment of players due to their DPS, they don't want to encourage kicking players from content or excluding them from PFs because of low DPS numbers.
They could very easily do it but given how toxic the people advocating for it are, especially in the high end scene, they don't want to do it and give them another tool.

[SamSmoot]

Make it so you can only see your damage relative the average of everyone else in the group who is within 5 item levels of you.

Display the data only after the group is disbanded. Perhaps offer some analysis or suggestions to the player of they're not using some ability, or not in the correct sequence. Unfortunately, solo rating is only useful for DPS.

When I ran a meter in WoW, I usually didn't review the data until the event was over anyway, since it took too much time to analyze the details during the run. It did have a simple bar graph showing everyone's performance, but I felt it was useless comparing myself to others of different class / item level, which is why a built-in meter should only compare with others of very similar item level. (Same class only is impractical..)

I suppose I could simply stop caring about my performance and stand back, casting one ranged ability over and over, since I don't know if it makes a difference or not.

[SwingLifeAway]

We already have DPS/Healers taking the role of setting a pace from a tank they feel doesn't fulfill it's role properly which judging from some topics and responses is generally acceptable behavior. Do we really need to give out another direction this type of behavior might grow?

Today Jaquan learns that people will always find a way to be shitty no matter what
Shock and surprise ensues

[DPZ2]

mfw "catboy" is a pseudo-racial, pseudo-sexual slur

Catboy in that context is pseudo-racial, because the player (me) is not a catboy. No more than you are a blond, baseball cap wearing Ala Mhigan.

Pseudo-sexual slur was in reference to poster's use of the term "fursuit" for a different poster who's avatar is a Hrothgar ... figure it out yourself.

[Kenky]

I didn't know parsers harassed Blizzard's female employees and stole their breast milk.


Yeap. The only ones being toxic and actually harassing people are the anti-parse crowd. I promise, reviewing someone's credentials to tell if they're in a position to be making a certain argument is not the same. That is, claiming "I do just fine without them" to backup their argument that no one should be allowed to use them when they, in fact, do not do just fine. A bruised ego and some petty insults are leagues behind witch hunting and mass reporting.

1. Missed the point, but hey. Your call. It's not uncommon that WoWs community was far from appealing and, sadly, to this day, it still remains that way. Probably doesn't help that GMs in WoW either don't exist, or outright tell you to /ignore and man up, rather than deal with the problem.

2. Harassment is Harassment. The length and strength of it is irrelevant. (in terms of punishing it, at least) and I'm not claiming that one side of this conversation is "the toxic one". Both sides have shown they have less-than-ideal people in their ranks. Again, go back through this very thread and you'll see. While you may see going after someone for their low-DPS as a justifiable action, on the belief that you only do it to people who claim they "do just fine". It is still using their meters as justification for harassment. So you (in a roundabout way) confirmed the stance XIV takes.

If you feel someone isn't pulling their weight in a duty / raid / roulette / etc, put them on your block list and you'll never group up with them again. You don't need to voice your personal disappointment about how they aren't meeting your personal standards. (If you are consistently wiping trial / raid fights as a result, you may be justified in calling them out, but not using numbers, obviously)

"People should just learn how to do good DPS" or people should just not be antagonistic to each other over otherwise meaningless reasons, like hitting buttons in a vidja gaem

Remember. Games (Final Fantasy is included in this, shocking I know!) are meant to be played for fun. While your fun may be topping meters, others may just want to lean back and relax. So I shall remain with my stance of "Personal dps meters at most, punishing those that abuse it."

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If you feel someone isn't pulling their weight in a duty / raid / roulette / etc, put them on your block list and you'll never group up with them again.

Correction.

This applies only if you're the PF leader, because anybody in your blacklist won't be able to view your PF. DF contents will still pair you with them. Joining random's PF doesn't prevent them from joining the same PF. You just won't be able to see what they're talking (yes, they can see what you're typing if they don't blacklist you).

[DarkPursuer]

Catboy in that context is pseudo-racial, because the player (me) is not a catboy. No more than you are a blond, baseball cap wearing Ala Mhigan.

Pseudo-sexual slur was in reference to poster's use of the term "fursuit" for a different poster who's avatar is a Hrothgar ... figure it out yourself.

It'd be real funny if Skiros dropped a pic of himself and he turned out to look just like his avatar.

[Hoodcat]

It's not that they can't do it, they won't because of the exact reasons people in this thread have listed for wanting it.
They don't want harassment of players due to their DPS, they don't want to encourage kicking players from content or excluding them from PFs because of low DPS numbers.
They could very easily do it but given how toxic the people advocating for it are, especially in the high end scene, they don't want to do it and give them another tool.

that statement i made was for the statement itself, i can careless if they add a dps meter, it will always be there, I am of the opinion it would help some players in the long run.

Ill just go ahead and repeat what ive said. All this stuff is in the game already, its already a big part of endgame you cant even apply to most casual groups w/o logs ect. pretending that its not there or some epidemic will happen is foolish. FC groups will help fellow FC players with carries reguardless of it being there or not, If you want to venture out on your own you are gana have to produce logs square knows fflogs exist and isnt doing anything about it, they are even holding some of your logs from you unless you become a gold level donator.

I do some of these roulettes and i see dps so poor the healer are spanking em, and i wonder to myself..... does he think hes doing good? is he takeing advantage that no one can say anything?

P1N is prolly the absolute best DPS dummy in the game atm, 100 % uptime can do rotation with minimal mechanics, a dps meter would help them.

you keep these people ignorant, they are gana try something thats actually difficult and get spanked so hard they will never want to try it again.

And again ill say, all this stuff is already in game, and apart of the game and has been for years. hiding your head in the sand and pretending its not there dosnt make it not there =p there are already in the PF adv for parse groups, groups in the PF saying checking logs and so many other things

its just like half these groups in savage, guys always like I DONT USE ACT I DONT USE ECT BLAH BLAH BLAH like we will think hes some chad ultra gamer and we didnt even ask bc we dont care, then he dosnt have push to talk on and we hear his cactbot pinging or reading wich mechanic is going off.

half you guys lie to yourselves =p

[VerdeLuck]

that statement i made was for the statement itself, i can careless if they add a dps meter, it will always be there, I am of the opinion it would help some players in the long run.

Ill just go ahead and repeat what ive said. All this stuff is in the game already, its already a big part of endgame you cant even apply to most casual groups w/o logs ect. pretending that its not there or some epidemic will happen is foolish. FC groups will help fellow FC players with carries reguardless of it being there or not, If you want to venture out on your own you are gana have to produce logs square knows fflogs exist and isnt doing anything about it, they are even holding some of your logs from you unless you become a gold level donator.

I do some of these roulettes and i see dps so poor the healer are spanking em, and i wonder to myself..... does he think hes doing good? is he takeing advantage that no one can say anything?

P1N is prolly the absolute best DPS dummy in the game atm, 100 % uptime can do rotation with minimal mechanics, a dps meter would help them.

you keep these people ignorant, they are gana try something thats actually difficult and get spanked so hard they will never want to try it again.

And again ill say, all this stuff is already in game, and apart of the game and has been for years. hiding your head in the sand and pretending its not there dosnt make it not there =p there are already in the PF adv for parse groups, groups in the PF saying checking logs and so many other things

its just like half these groups in savage, guys always like I DONT USE ACT I DONT USE ECT BLAH BLAH BLAH like we will think hes some chad ultra gamer and we didnt even ask bc we dont care, then he dosnt have push to talk on and we hear his cactbot pinging or reading wich mechanic is going off.

half you guys lie to yourselves =p

Exactly my point, if people act like this when it's not officially in the game they can't be trusted with official DPS meters.

[Hoodcat]

im confused on what you mean, my behavior or the mega giga chad?