They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[VelKallor]

Nah, I disagree with this. Many players quit wow because the quality of the game's story and gameplay took a huge dive. Honestly, your bringing up parsing being the reason for the downfall of wow is the first time I've ever heard that.

I didnt say it was the sole factor, I never said that at all. i said it fostered toxic behaviour. It enables that kind of attitude. It was not the sole factor by any means, but you name me ONE person, just one, who would tolerate that kind of behaviour and language in public.

People may scream abuse, threats, use obscenities in game...but put that same person face to face with the person they want to abuse, I can 100% gaurantee they wont DARE. When you face real consequences for your actions, you tend to not behave in that manner.

Under some circumstances, screaming obscenities and abuse at someone in public results in a set of handcuffs and a jail cell.

[Yeastyloins]

I didnt say it was the sole factor, I never said that at all. i said it fostered toxic behaviour. It enables that kind of attitude. It was not the sole factor by any means, but you name me ONE person, just one, who would tolerate that kind of behaviour and language in public.

People may scream abuse, threats, use obscenities in game...but put that same person face to face with the person they want to abuse, I can 100% gaurantee they wont DARE. When you face real consequences for your actions, you tend to not behave in that manner.

Under some circumstances, screaming obscenities and abuse at someone in public results in a set of handcuffs and a jail cell.

Who hurt you fam?

[Shurrikhan]

..which, over time, fostered a growing, hyper competitive, abusive, toxic and hostile atmosphere, combined with a lackluster and apathetic moderation team more prone to blaming those being abused, rather than taking any action to curtail said behaviour.

Step 1:

Certain players take advantage of more lenient invite requirements early in an expansion (before jadedness as the following behavior causes ilvl to be jacked inaccessibly high in hopes of at least compensating for poor performance per ilvl) to join content far above what they're prepared for.

Step 2:

Said players demonstrate this by doing, say, the damage typical of someone 30 item levels lower. There are enough of these players to cause a wipe to the boss's enrage.

Step 3:

After 2-3 wipes, at which point such could no longer be a fluke, the raid leader kicks those who are clearly underprepared.

Step 4:

Toxicity. Sudden and everywhere. By which we refer to the kicking, of course. Not for expecting to be carried, essentially line-cutting, or wasting others' time in doing so. Naturally. No, they were "abused". Those who want to do Heroic raids with those who could, at the least, do a bit more than would be expected from Normal raids, were the *ssholes for expecting others to follow an honor system.

[Sebazy]

Player reports went unanswered or ignored, and instead of actually doing anything to deal with the situation, the ingame mods chose to sit there and allow it to continue in this fashion.

See, that's the immediate and obvious difference that you're either missing or wilfully overlooking.

SE don't tend to ignore player reports at least from what I've seen. I had friends literally eat a ban for asking to be kicked from a party so they could raid.

Adding a DPS meter doesn't automatically change that stance and I don't get why you would suggest that it would.

[VelKallor]

Adding a DPS meter doesn't automatically change that stance and I don't get why you would suggest that it would.

As has been said earlier, the SOURCE of a lot of that behaviour has been dps meter harassment and bullying. Remove that and a lot of problems go away.

Cause = effect.

It would be VERY interesting to see what would happen if Blizzard adopted the same idea. Get rid of dps meters..I confess I would be VERY curious to see how that would pan out. What was it Mustapha Mond called it?..

Oh yes: "An experiment in rebottling"

[Kenky]

Yeah, that was it. It was the dirty smelly elitist parsers who took WOW down. It wasn't Blizzard's awful office environment. Or their exploitative tedious game design. Or lackluster story. Or borrowed power systems. Or tone-deaf executives.

It was the parsing.

Toxic casuals are the worst part of FFXIV's community, and they prove it with their proud ignorance and Puritanical hatred of information every day.

Do you.. Do you think this attitude is helping your case? Even a little bit?

[Hoodcat]

they like to talk alot about stuff they know nothing about =p

Grasping at any reason, with lack of knowledge they cant even form a good reason. I can help them out and list about 3 really strong reasons bc well.... im informed :| but ill let them figure that out.



This is what happens when you keep knowledge from yourself on how stuff works, you know a wheel turns but you dont know why. So when it breaks you cant fix it

[VelKallor]

That's not it, meters have been since Vanilla

Yes, and I have spoken to many a Vanilla player that says the parsers made the game worse for many.

and the game continued to grow all the way into Wrath.

That spawned Gearscore, to this day one of the most reviled systems ever introduced. Bad choice.

If anything, the game is losing people due to game design and the dumb ideas that come from the lead designers

Many I have spoken to who quit WOW cite multiple instances of vile, almost obscene language enabled by parser use.

SE makes the game with DPS checks in mind which means that it requires you to optimize to some degree. Does that not foster environment then? By your logic they should get rid of savage, extreme trials, and ultimate.

Yes they do. And as has been stated, those encounters can and HAVE been cleared WITHOUT dps meters. The vast majority of console players dont use dps meters...and they have done it all incl Ultimate...so by reflection, your argument falls flat.

[Yeastyloins]

Have you done it though?

[Hoodcat]

Have you done it though?

his sisters cousins mothers friends daughters imaginary roomate did, thats good enuff for him =p