They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[Deveryn]

I have really hard time understanding why everyone thinks that damage meter would be a source of harassment. I don't think I can remember a single instance when I didn't make into a PF group in WoW because of DPS/HPS. The only criteria to join a WoW raid or dungeon is completion/iLVL which is already present in FF.

Maybe it's because we've actually been harassed!!! Think on that a bit.

[Kirundo]

Maybe it's because we've actually been harassed!!! Think on that a bit.

So you are telling me that if you can be harassed over something in the game, this should not be a part of the game? How about we actually just deal with the people harassing you instead of getting rid of every potential feature that you can get harassed over.
I remind you that you can technically be harassed over your performance even without ACT, and how are we dealing with it? Removing features or reporting the player?

[Jason_Ashford]

So you are telling me that if you can be harassed over something in the game, this should not be a part of the game? How about we actually just deal with the people harassing you instead of getting rid of every potential feature that you can get harassed over.
I remind you that you can technically be harassed over your performance even without ACT, and how are we dealing with it? Removing features or reporting the player?

or how about the devs not enable bullying by continuing to block any request for parse logs to be added. it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, people WILL abuse parse logs to bully and gatekeep content from those less skilled. So the answer is now and will forever remain NO

[Kirundo]

or how about the devs not enable bullying by continuing to block any request for parse logs to be added. it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, people WILL abuse parse logs to bully and gatekeep content from those less skilled. So the answer is now and will forever remain NO

I argue that adding damage meter will NOT add any more bullying or harassment. Will some people use damage meter to harass? Yes. Would they have used literally anything else to harass right now? Also yes. Some people just triggered by ANYTHING. I have a teammate in overwatch that would get triggered by any comment on his gameplay from other teammates or opponents. And I mean ANY. He would harass and curse the person who dared to question his performance. And that same person would do the same in any other game with any tools given.

[Jason_Ashford]

I argue that adding damage meter will NOT add any more bullying or harassment. Will some people use damage meter to harass? Yes. Would they have used literally anything else to harass right now? Also yes. Some people just triggered by ANYTHING. I have a teammate in overwatch that would get triggered by any comment on his gameplay from other teammates or opponents. And I mean ANY. He would harass and curse the person who dared to question his performance. And that same person would do the same in any other game with any tools given.

spoken like someone who has never played WoW or ESO. Parsing absolutely enables widespread bullying and gatekeeping and pretending otherwise just makes you sound incredibly foolish. Parses legitimizes elitism and toxicity and no amount of reporting will ever fix the long term damage of allowing that kind of mentality to seep into the game.

Does it already exist to an extent? yes. there's no an MMO in the world that doesn't have elitists who bully and gatekeep content, but that doesn't mean we should make it easier for them.

[Kirundo]

spoken like someone who has never played WoW or ESO. Parsing absolutely enables widespread bullying and gatekeeping and pretending otherwise just makes you sound incredibly foolish. Parses legitimizes elitism and toxicity and no amount of reporting will ever fix the long term damage of allowing that kind of mentality to seep into the game.

Does it already exist to an extent? yes. there's no an MMO in the world that doesn't have elitists who bully and gatekeep content, but that doesn't mean we should make it easier for them.

I dare you to find ANY group or raid in WoW party finder right now that would require you to have certain DPS amount.
And no, logs requirement for mythic raids is not DPS requirement but check that you didn't buy the clear.

[Yeastyloins]

I dare you to find ANY group or raid in WoW party finder right now that would require you to have certain DPS amount.
And no, logs requirement for mythic raids is not DPS requirement but check that you didn't buy the clear.

M+ they don't use logs or DPS numbers, they use IO scores which is determined by keystone clears. IO also will record raid kills as well and will show you a person main's IO information if they are on an alt.

In fact, parses from Warcraft Logs for M+ is pretty irrelevant for group selection. Especially since Warcraft Logs does not differentiate from rDPS and aDPS. All logs are aDPS which is heavily abused with things like PI, Benevolent Faries and other things.