They Should Add An Official Damage Meter With One Condition

[SilverSkyway]

Hm. Weird that the devs while testing can clear end game without addons. And you don't need FFlogs to play the game. As long as the boss dies and you don't then who cares.

ToS been there since release. Really the Addons they need put in game are QoL stuff like chat bubbles and gshade settings and better color blind stuff. Damage meter is not one that is needed.

[kpxmanifesto]

Damage meter is not one that is needed.

We already know it's not needed. It's still nice to have, however.

[LittleImp]

Hm. Weird that the devs while testing can clear end game without addons.

Yeah, they test and clear content on a debug client wherein they use additional checkpoints, god mode and a host of other tools inaccessible to the player. They also almost certainly have an internal method for parsing and interpreting logfiles while debugging complex fights as well.

[Klytania]

Hm. Weird that the devs while testing can clear end game without addons. And you don't need FFlogs to play the game. As long as the boss dies and you don't then who cares.

ToS been there since release. Really the Addons they need put in game are QoL stuff like chat bubbles and gshade settings and better color blind stuff. Damage meter is not one that is needed.

The difference between a fight taking 30 minutes or 15 minutes is why people use damage meters

[Sebazy]

Hm. Weird that the devs while testing can clear end game without addons. And you don't need FFlogs to play the game. As long as the boss dies and you don't then who cares.

Haven't I debunked you on this exact line before?

That line is entirely smoke and mirrors. Frankly you'd have to be an utter imbecile to think that they somehow need to use addons to test content in production. They can simply use development clients to use things such as godmode, inflated damage and hp, even break fights down into a phase by phase test if needed. This was something that was clarified very specifically by Yoshida back in Gordias and other than them switching away from testing phases individually (with fresh cooldowns which was a big part of the Gordias tuning issues), nothing appears to have changed.

If you seriously think that SE's testing team was clearing DSR entirely legitimately during it's development then I don't know what to say to you tbh.

[SilverSkyway]

We already know it's not needed. It's still nice to have, however.

Only thing I can see use is looking at the different on jobs. Like Mch. As a selfless dps it does less damage and use then a bard or DnC. FFlogs say as much. Yes, every job can clear but then there the elitist who look at that and say don't bring one because of logs.
Now I saw a post on self damage only. That could work but it only for the instance and you can't save it unless you screen shot it.

The difference between a fight taking 30 minutes or 15 minutes is why people use damage meters

If you re worried about taking to long then do something else. You went in to raid. It like saying CC pvp taking to long because the enemy putting up a fight.

Haven't I debunked you on this exact line before?

That line is entirely smoke and mirrors. Frankly you'd have to be an utter imbecile to think that they somehow need to use addons to test content in production. They can simply use development clients to use things such as godmode, inflated damage and hp, even break fights down into a phase by phase test if needed. This was something that was clarified very specifically by Yoshida back in Gordias and other than them switching away from testing phases individually (with fresh cooldowns which was a big part of the Gordias tuning issues), nothing appears to have changed.

If you seriously think that SE's testing team was clearing DSR entirely legitimately during it's development then I don't know what to say to you tbh.

Yes but they make sure it can be beat even if they don't restart every death.

[Semirhage]

Hm. Weird that the devs while testing can clear end game without addons. And you don't need FFlogs to play the game. As long as the boss dies and you don't then who cares.

ToS been there since release. Really the Addons they need put in game are QoL stuff like chat bubbles and gshade settings and better color blind stuff. Damage meter is not one that is needed.

A damage meter *is* QoL. It's just irrationally hated because some people might be mean sometimes and might even be incorrect with those criticisms.

Every single one of these persecution fantasies is trivially refuted by tapping on the "harassment is against the ToS" sign.

But FFXIV's community is so marshmallow soft that the guarantee isn't good enough. No, SOMEone, SOMEwhere, MIGHT have the ability to ask if they want pointers and have some dirty, filthy facts to back it up. And it's the "having facts to back it up" part that's bad.

That's what every. Single. Anti-parser argument boils down to. The harassment part is ALREADY punishable. The change they object to is the numbers. The facts. The stats, plain and simple. You adamantly, furiously, don't want numbers. And what a hill to stake one's claim on. Ignorance is strength. Passive-aggression is politeness. Knowledge is evil subversive contraband that must remain a punishable offense.

[DPZ2]

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Congratulation! When did you join the testing team? How did you get the job? Was it difficult to learn enough Japanese to be useful during the raid testing?

Or are you hand-waving like the rest of us when it comes to speaking about this issue?

[Yeastyloins]

Congratulation! When did you join the testing team? How did you get the job? Was it difficult to learn enough Japanese to be useful during the raid testing?

Or are you hand-waving like the rest of us when it comes to speaking about this issue?

Sounds a lot like you're doing some handwaving TBH.

[CosmicCoqui]

People seem to not understand yoshi has never once changed his position on damage meters. He seen in another game what it can lead to and does not want it here. It's a horse thats been beaten to death since 2.xx patch series. If it hasn't change since then, don't expect it to anytime soon..