Just give us a list of what addons we can use.

[Jaquan]

If bosses have enrages then parsers are necessary. Parsers in and of themselves are merely tools. Tools are not toxic. People are, and I have met far more toxic snowflakes who don’t parse than I have who do.

No, no they're not. Because even with enrage you are able to do it without them. Parsers however do speed up the process by outright spellin out who lags behind and in case of extra tools designed to work with them can give you a solution. Thing is that dedicated group will reach similar conclusions eventually. Parsers will just speed up the process.

Sadly though we see our dependence on add-on tools take deeper and deeper believing the game forces us to use them. It doesn't.

Yeah, that’s a bit much and I don’t think many would argue in favor. However, the vast majority of people who use add-ons are using QOL plugins and a parser. None of which harm others or give them an advantage. Finally, all this is hypocritical to me. People got no issue with bots who farm and make the MB prices cheap.

Yeah no. That's objectively false.

[Kazimere]

No, no they're not. Because even with enrage you are able to do it without them. Parsers however do speed up the process by outright spellin out who lags behind and in case of extra tools designed to work with them can give you a solution. Thing is that dedicated group will reach similar conclusions eventually. Parsers will just speed up the process.

Sadly though we see our dependence on add-on tools take deeper and deeper believing the game forces us to use them. It doesn't.

Parsers have been around since the first MMOs. They are necessary, even if only to speed up progress. They are necessary to check your own improvement. I could keep going.

The game doesn’t force us to use them, no. However, if the game is lacking something the player base is going to find a way. Most add-ones are merely QOL anyway.

[Velnora]

No, no they're not. Because even with enrage you are able to do it without them. Parsers however do speed up the process by outright spellin out who lags behind and in case of extra tools designed to work with them can give you a solution. Thing is that dedicated group will reach similar conclusions eventually. Parsers will just speed up the process.

Sadly though we see our dependence on add-on tools take deeper and deeper believing the game forces us to use them. It doesn't.



Yeah no. That's objectively false.

If you are failing to hit enrage, parsers tell you what you are doing wrong.

[Jaquan]

If you are failing to hit enrage, parsers tell you what you are doing wrong.

Your point being? Again what parsers tell the player is what said player would eventually figure out. What I'm trying to say it's not enrage or any other mechanic that makes Parsers obligatory tool in some people eyes. It's our nature and desire for fast answers. It's easier and faster to offload all the heavy work onto the machine and that's what we want even on higher level of play.

You are not even max level. go enjoy the story

Yes, and? Does hitting level 90 magically implants some hidden secrets of the universe onto me?

[Mosha]

Your point being? Again what parsers tell the player is what said player would eventually figure out. What I'm trying to say it's not enrage or any other mechanic that makes Parsers obligatory tool in some people eyes. It's our nature and desire for fast answers. It's easier and faster to offload all the heavy work onto the machine and that's what we want even on higher level of play.


Yes, and? Does hitting level 90 magically implants some hidden secrets of the universe onto me?

Well you find out all these lovely things like tight dps checks, rotations, uptime and downtime and one bloody annoying orange bird.

[Jaquan]

Well you find out all these lovely things like tight dps checks, rotations, uptime and downtime and one bloody annoying orange bird.

So you're trying to tell me that reaching the high end, in game designed to be beaten without add-ons, is impossible without add-ons?

[Mosha]

So you're trying to tell me that reaching the high end in game designed to be beaten without add-ons is impossible without add-ons?

I didn't say that, I just prefer having access to data so I can see where I'm going wrong and improve so I don't waste people's time by being trash. but sure if you can tell apart physical and magical damage with your eyes I might respect your opinion more.

[Krotoan]

Well you find out all these lovely things like tight dps checks, rotations, uptime and downtime and one bloody annoying orange bird.

... this used to be why a "world first" was impressive. Cause you did all this stuff, without some addon helping... first.

[Rolder50]

... this used to be why a "world first" was impressive. Cause you did all this stuff, without some addon helping... first.

... it's almost like the addons that people get upset about the most aren't updated until after the world first clear. Because the developers need to know the full timeline and how everything works first.

[Krotoan]

Trig in UCoB says hi
ACT has been used since the start
I forget what ultimate it was UwU I think where a team built a pusdo private server
also all the data mining shenanigans

Honestly I was speaking more of previous MMO's. But if the race is to be the first person to solve the puzzle while they have a color and shape sorting machine helping... I'm not impressed.

... it's almost like the addons that people get upset about the most aren't updated until after the world first clear. Because the developers need to know the full timeline and how everything works first.

There's still what I'd consider basic cheating going on. People who instead of pouring over logs or logically figuring out things look to a calculator and parser to map out the basics. Its now who half solves the puzzle first..

Again.. not impressive really. Puzzles in games always have a solution. There is always a "right" way to do it. People clamor for more and more difficulty but when presented with an exceptionally difficult puzzle go for the automation.