Just give us a list of what addons we can use.

[Krotoan]

Well you find out all these lovely things like tight dps checks, rotations, uptime and downtime and one bloody annoying orange bird.

... this used to be why a "world first" was impressive. Cause you did all this stuff, without some addon helping... first.

[Rolder50]

... this used to be why a "world first" was impressive. Cause you did all this stuff, without some addon helping... first.

... it's almost like the addons that people get upset about the most aren't updated until after the world first clear. Because the developers need to know the full timeline and how everything works first.

[Krotoan]

Trig in UCoB says hi
ACT has been used since the start
I forget what ultimate it was UwU I think where a team built a pusdo private server
also all the data mining shenanigans

Honestly I was speaking more of previous MMO's. But if the race is to be the first person to solve the puzzle while they have a color and shape sorting machine helping... I'm not impressed.

... it's almost like the addons that people get upset about the most aren't updated until after the world first clear. Because the developers need to know the full timeline and how everything works first.

There's still what I'd consider basic cheating going on. People who instead of pouring over logs or logically figuring out things look to a calculator and parser to map out the basics. Its now who half solves the puzzle first..

Again.. not impressive really. Puzzles in games always have a solution. There is always a "right" way to do it. People clamor for more and more difficulty but when presented with an exceptionally difficult puzzle go for the automation.

[Rolder50]

There's still what I'd consider basic cheating going on. People who instead of pouring over logs or logically figuring out things look to a calculator and parser to map out the basics. Its now who half solves the puzzle first..

Again.. not impressive really. Puzzles in games always have a solution. There is always a "right" way to do it. People clamor for more and more difficulty but when presented with an exceptionally difficult puzzle go for the automation.

Spoken like someone who has absolutely zero clue into what goes into getting world first.

[Krotoan]

Spoken like someone who has absolutely zero clue into what goes into getting world first.

Think what you like, I was around when MMO's were born. I may sound like an old man yelling at clouds, but I remember figuring out an encounter for weeks with no clear because we wanted to do it ourselves. If you have something telling you all the answers to all the basic building blocks, you haven't figured anything out, you're just looking for the triangle hole for the triangle piece.

[Mosha]

... this used to be why a "world first" was impressive. Cause you did all this stuff, without some addon helping... first.

Trig in UCoB says hi
ACT has been used since the start
I forget what ultimate it was UwU I think, where a team built a pusdo private server
also all the data mining shenanigans

[Rolder50]

I forget what ultimate it was UwU I think, where a team built a pusdo private server

Yoshi-P said in the very announcement that people are getting upset about, that this is not possible.

[Mosha]

Yoshi-P said in the very announcement that people are getting upset about, that this is not possible.

hence the word pusdo, lacked all the server-side stuff e.g boss ai. but it did allow them to practice the same mech over and over.