Just give us a list of what addons we can use.

[Jaquan]

If you are failing to hit enrage, parsers tell you what you are doing wrong.

Your point being? Again what parsers tell the player is what said player would eventually figure out. What I'm trying to say it's not enrage or any other mechanic that makes Parsers obligatory tool in some people eyes. It's our nature and desire for fast answers. It's easier and faster to offload all the heavy work onto the machine and that's what we want even on higher level of play.

You are not even max level. go enjoy the story

Yes, and? Does hitting level 90 magically implants some hidden secrets of the universe onto me?

[Mosha]

Your point being? Again what parsers tell the player is what said player would eventually figure out. What I'm trying to say it's not enrage or any other mechanic that makes Parsers obligatory tool in some people eyes. It's our nature and desire for fast answers. It's easier and faster to offload all the heavy work onto the machine and that's what we want even on higher level of play.


Yes, and? Does hitting level 90 magically implants some hidden secrets of the universe onto me?

Well you find out all these lovely things like tight dps checks, rotations, uptime and downtime and one bloody annoying orange bird.

[Jaquan]

Well you find out all these lovely things like tight dps checks, rotations, uptime and downtime and one bloody annoying orange bird.

So you're trying to tell me that reaching the high end, in game designed to be beaten without add-ons, is impossible without add-ons?

[Mosha]

So you're trying to tell me that reaching the high end in game designed to be beaten without add-ons is impossible without add-ons?

I didn't say that, I just prefer having access to data so I can see where I'm going wrong and improve so I don't waste people's time by being trash. but sure if you can tell apart physical and magical damage with your eyes I might respect your opinion more.

[Krotoan]

Well you find out all these lovely things like tight dps checks, rotations, uptime and downtime and one bloody annoying orange bird.

... this used to be why a "world first" was impressive. Cause you did all this stuff, without some addon helping... first.

[Rolder50]

... this used to be why a "world first" was impressive. Cause you did all this stuff, without some addon helping... first.

... it's almost like the addons that people get upset about the most aren't updated until after the world first clear. Because the developers need to know the full timeline and how everything works first.

[Krotoan]

Trig in UCoB says hi
ACT has been used since the start
I forget what ultimate it was UwU I think where a team built a pusdo private server
also all the data mining shenanigans

Honestly I was speaking more of previous MMO's. But if the race is to be the first person to solve the puzzle while they have a color and shape sorting machine helping... I'm not impressed.

... it's almost like the addons that people get upset about the most aren't updated until after the world first clear. Because the developers need to know the full timeline and how everything works first.

There's still what I'd consider basic cheating going on. People who instead of pouring over logs or logically figuring out things look to a calculator and parser to map out the basics. Its now who half solves the puzzle first..

Again.. not impressive really. Puzzles in games always have a solution. There is always a "right" way to do it. People clamor for more and more difficulty but when presented with an exceptionally difficult puzzle go for the automation.

[Rolder50]

There's still what I'd consider basic cheating going on. People who instead of pouring over logs or logically figuring out things look to a calculator and parser to map out the basics. Its now who half solves the puzzle first..

Again.. not impressive really. Puzzles in games always have a solution. There is always a "right" way to do it. People clamor for more and more difficulty but when presented with an exceptionally difficult puzzle go for the automation.

Spoken like someone who has absolutely zero clue into what goes into getting world first.

[Krotoan]

Spoken like someone who has absolutely zero clue into what goes into getting world first.

Think what you like, I was around when MMO's were born. I may sound like an old man yelling at clouds, but I remember figuring out an encounter for weeks with no clear because we wanted to do it ourselves. If you have something telling you all the answers to all the basic building blocks, you haven't figured anything out, you're just looking for the triangle hole for the triangle piece.

[Mosha]

... this used to be why a "world first" was impressive. Cause you did all this stuff, without some addon helping... first.

Trig in UCoB says hi
ACT has been used since the start
I forget what ultimate it was UwU I think, where a team built a pusdo private server
also all the data mining shenanigans