Been seeing a lot of doomsaying in forums/in-game lately

[WaxSw]

Ah you cherry pick 3 things I've said but won't pull up other things that WOULD fit your criteria.

I just picked 3 things in the latest 2-3 days that showed exactly that, if you were so willing to discuss the game as you said I woudn't have found so many in so little time

Call it what you want but the truth IS that it's a loud minority. Most people prefer to spend thier time playing rather than entertaining the echo chamber that's the OF.
And let's say those quotes don't "provide anything of value". How does that equal white knighting? At least TRY to be consistent and make sense dude.

Cause a lot of those arguments were dismissed by the devs themselves long time ago yet some still use them to defend the game:

(From the presentation about what they learnt about the 1.0 disaster)

Assuming those who are silent agree that the game is fine is naive to say the least

I also love when you people call out sarcasm when it's folks who don't agree with you doing as such but it's never called out when folks you agree with do it.

Those folks didn't reply to my argument, as simple as that

And if you feel I'm apparently down playing issues here I can rightfully say people are over blowing issues. 2 sides, same coin BUT ofc as I've seen folks say here before, it's ok for people to overblow issues. Either both are ok or neither are.

Say it, but bring arguments to the table, in the same way when I or others say how badly designed healers are we try to bring facts like logs, cpm, or proofs of low heal requirements... Don't bring the stupidity that is the "tHeN UnSUb" argument or say they're a loud minority because, this may surprise you, the majority is just a bunch of minorities together and if we push them out, even if each group leaves for different reasons, then the majority will eventually dissapear.

[RyuDragnier]

I'm pretty sure the heavy doomposting is relatively new. I distinctly remember heavy complaining, but nothing this heavily negative during SB or ShB. Not sure what caused it, but man it's pretty annoying, especially when numerous doomposts are about things we've had in this game for many years. Like...I'm sorry, but if you're going to doompost, at least post about something relatively new, not things we've been dealing with since BEFORE the game got a heavy surge of players.

[Nethereal]

I just picked 3 things in the latest 2-3 days that showed exactly that

You could probably find more if you looked through their post history, they're consistent.

[AziraSyuren]

Name one Savage or Extreme in Shadowbringers > Endwalker that compares to Kefka, Living Liquid and Thordan. Savage absolutely has gotten easier. When was the last time we saw a third tier fight take world progression teams a week to clear?

I heard Shiva was pretty rough, but in saying that, I know that I'll get a chorus of people saying "it wasn't that difficult" because they're salty and insecure over all the Light Rampant wipes.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I never once said all silent folks agree the game is fine. Im saying its a loud minority that are complaining rn. That is a fact. Doesnt matter what you think there. Most players arent here doing what youre doing.

And sorry but no, regardless if those folks are commenting on your stuff or not, you either stay consistent with sarcasm being an issue or admit your bias.

As far as the last part, most here havent even resorted to just outright saying "just unsub". Yall take the few who have done that and act like more are saying it than is true. Ive said before to give your feedback THEN unsub until the game provides what you want. Money talks more than forum feedback imo but both together is the best way to do it. Again I bring up the loud minority in the OF because thats the facts. Outside of here NOONE knows exactly how many have issues. I can only say the community seems far more positive everywhere else and im not the 1st in here to notice this).

Ive never once said healing requirements arent low, nor have I ever said healers are great or in a good state. Ive said before I miss healing from back in SB. I mained Ast back then. These days I personally just dont find it boring like others do. But say that and the "how is spamming one button not boring" folks come in and it goes south from there. But in regards to this here, I only stated they arent useless. Others have brought up that full tank parties can clear most content in the game and I said something on the lines of "then that isnt just a healer issue, thatd mean all roles outside of tanking are useless by that logic". Not once have I tried to refute hard data. Seein said data and saying things are then useless is your opinion based on said data. Some of us see that and the take away is healing really isnt always needed per evidence yet it still has its place therefore it has a use. You see it in game everyday and id be willing to bet most parties still take a healer with them no matter what it is. Full tank/full dps/tank n dps parties do happen but nowhere near on the same scale. Again just 2 different opinions based on the same data.

This stuff isnt as cut n dry as some make it seem. EW's story is bad/good-Opinions EW's content has been good/bad-Opinions. The game is on a path to dying/the game is doing fine n thriving-Opinions. Thats all most of this is, opinions

(didnt reply with a quote, my bad)

[Sebazy]

I heard Shiva was pretty rough, but in saying that, I know that I'll get a chorus of people saying "it wasn't that difficult" because they're salty and insecure over all the Light Rampant wipes.

IMHO Light Rampant was made worse than it needed to be by certain uptime strats. Granted the fight was a pretty legitimate DPS check so in some ways that was warranted.

As a healer main though? That fight was the most boring raiding experience I've ever had in my life. And that includes camping Ragefire back in Everquest. When the trash add phase is a far bigger heal check than any of the actual fight itself? Yuck. It was long and the DPS check was stern, that's about it really.

[Semirhage]

I heard Shiva was pretty rough, but in saying that, I know that I'll get a chorus of people saying "it wasn't that difficult" because they're salty and insecure over all the Light Rampant wipes.

Light Rampant was an obnoxious mechanic that was mostly exacerbated by the fact that the mechanic's visual and auditory information was all a blur of white and loud pinging. Mechanics are much easier to work a team through when someone dies, and you can immediately tell where the mistake was. Light Rampant was all PING! PINGPINGPINGPINGPING! *white light everywhere*....so who messed up?

how is spamming one button not boring

I keep asking this question because I have yet to receive a satisfying answer for it. Cookie Clicker exists too. I swapped to DPS because healers have been dumbed down to an unacceptable state. And then they were dumbed down EVEN MORE. If FFXIV is going to try to engage me with just the W and the 1 key, then I have TV shows I can watch that command more attention than that.

As a healer main though? That fight was the most boring raiding experience I've ever had in my life. And that includes camping Ragefire back in Everquest. When the trash add phase is a far bigger heal check than any of the actual fight itself? Yuck. It was long and the DPS check was stern, that's about it really.

Ah see I swapped to RDM for that tier, MUCH more engaging experience than the hideous mess that is healing in this game. FFXIV healing jobs have the most embarrassing design I've ever seen for healers in an MMO.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I keep asking this question because I have yet to receive a satisfying answer for it. Cookie Clicker exists too. I swapped to DPS because healers have been dumbed down to an unacceptable state. And then they were dumbed down EVEN MORE. If FFXIV is going to try to engage me with just the W and the 1 key, then I have TV shows I can watch that command more attention than that.
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Well in my experience that's not all I'm doing when healing. (Thats a good way to get folks killed). So it never feels I'm just spamming one button. Being fair there doesn't need to be a satisfying answer to anyone other than said person playing. I've yet to be able to run any dungeon in EW as a healer pressing only one button

[KizuyaKatogami]

Well in my experience that's not all I'm doing when healing. (Thats a good way to get folks killed). So it never feels I'm just spamming one button. Being fair there doesn't need to be a satisfying answer to anyone other than said person playing. I've yet to be able to run any dungeon in EW as a healer pressing only one button

Then i guess it’s a skill difference or not knowing the job. In dungeons i literally have 100% uptime on my dps spell because i only need ogcd’s to heal on sage. Each big pull i just pop haima and kerachole on the tank and those two buttons are enough for the entire pull.

[Semirhage]

Well in my experience that's not all I'm doing when healing. (Thats a good way to get folks killed). So it never feels I'm just spamming one button. Being fair there doesn't need to be a satisfying answer to anyone other than said person playing. I've yet to be able to run any dungeon in EW as a healer pressing only one button

I was leveling Scholar the other day in Vanaspati. We zoned in. The tank was a WAR. First thing he said was "Healer don't heal me", then repeated it in autotranslate. I decided to respect his wishes.

Nobody died. The entire dungeon was Art of War. Aetherflow. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Oooo, boss time! Biolysis, Aetherflow. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil.

The. Entire. Dungeon.

That's all I'm doing most of the time when *I* am healing. Usually the tank is less skilled than that so I might need to weave one oGCD heal in between spamming 11111111111 over and over and over again. Ooo. Engaging.