Been seeing a lot of doomsaying in forums/in-game lately

[WaxSw]

Honestly I think its just because the game feels like its reaching a breaking point and the devs do nothing about it.
From job design (Healers especially) to the content, housing or even purely cosmetic things like Viera/Hrothgars it really feels the game is going downhill and instead of addressing the issues it seems like the devs are just deaf towards our complaints and only want to stick to the same old formula that may or may not work anymore

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I think Meteion is singing for us now Oh nooooooooo

[Ralphe2449]

To be honest I feel the real danger is focusing too much on the forums.

Most casual players aka the majority simply leave if the game doesnt agree with them, no point wasting time arguing with forum randos. Going by games like WoW it actually feels more dangerous to listen to forums because you end up trying to design a game around often the most tryhard and unhealthy toxic people by listening to them instead of the silent droves that left, hence why unsubscribe feedback is important.

FF14 doesnt have any big glaring issues, job design will always have people who have issues with it, I myself dislike the lack of utility since it makes dungeons boring since I want to do more than dps for example but its not "that" game breaking. It has a few issues but nothing feel as enormous to consider worth of doomsaying

And the story is the story, I obviously would have much preferred to join Emet against Venat and bring back the old factually better world than what we got.
What we got has some minor plot holes but it was mostly handled well, it didnt feel ridiculous or stupid like the average western game story ending.

[Sani2341]

FF14 doesnt have any big glaring issues

Good to know that Healers being useless in most content, including some current Savages an Extremes is not a glaring issue.

[LaylaTsarra]

Good to know that Healers being useless in most content, including some current Savages an Extremes is not a glaring issue.

Not all healers feel like you do. You know I'm sure the dev team has heard the call for more dps centric healers but they're not listening it's not what they want.

[Sani2341]

Not all healers feel like you do. You know I'm sure the dev team has head the call for more dps centric healers but they're not listening it's not what they want.

This is no 'feeling' Dungeons, EXs and Savage being cleared with no Healers is a fact.

In fact, setting up a pf for a tankonly aglaia run, waiting for it to fill, and clearing that raid easily with 24 tanks is currently faster than even getting in as a Tank via DF.
If there were no glaring issues with the game, that should not be the case, not even close. Doing something without most roles in a trinity based mmo should not be the easiest and fastest way to do any max lvl content

[WaxSw]

Not all healers feel like you do. You know I'm sure the dev team has head the call for more dps centric healers but they're not listening it's not what they want.

He's not talking about opinions, healers ARE useless in most content. Most of dungeons can be soloed by tanks and consistently cleared with just tanks and dps, Ucob has been cleared by tanks only, we've seen tank only clears of all the normal mode raids (and even the 1 tank clear of P1N), P1s and P2s, unless mechanics that could cause a wipe target healers is pretty normal for extreme farms to have only 1 or no healers at all (and aside from endsinger both EW Exs have been cleared without healers) and even in savage and ultimate healers spam their main damage spell far more than all of the heals they use combined and there are far far more examples.

At this point there is no such a thing as dps centric healers, just healers that know how their role works and healers that don't

[Ralphe2449]

Good to know that Healers being useless in most content, including some current Savages an Extremes is not a glaring issue.

Well as a person who never in their life has or will play support that sounds great, the more self sufficiency for me, the better xd

The healer role has far too often end up existing in mmorpgs to save people from their mistakes which aint a good thing tbh

[LaylaTsarra]

He's not talking about opinions, healers ARE useless in most content. Most of dungeons can be soloed by tanks and consistently cleared with just tanks and dps, Ucob has been cleared by tanks only, we've seen tank only clears of all the normal mode raids (and even the 1 tank clear of P1N), P1s and P2s, unless mechanics that could cause a wipe target healers is pretty normal for extreme farms to have only 1 or no healers at all (and aside from endsinger both EW Exs have been cleared without healers) and even in savage and ultimate healers spam their main damage spell far more than all of the heals they use combined and there are far far more examples.

At this point there is no such a thing as dps centric healers, just healers that know how their role works and healers that don't

I don't agree. The important thing is that healers have been singing this tune for years and the development team isn't listening. They are not interested in enabling more green dps.

[WaxSw]

I don't agree. The important thing is that healers have been singing this toon for years and the development team isn't listening.

Agree on what? All I've told you are facts, you can check the tank only Ucob clear, you can see in youtube all the heal-less runs I've mentioned. There is nothing to agree with there, is just the reality of the game as it is now, like how the devs aren't listening nor have a job designer that plays healer either

Edit cause your edit needed it:

They are not interested in enabling more green dps.

Then why on hell would they:
-Design content with dps checks that can't be cleared without green dps?
-Design dps spells that are far more efficient mp wise than any heal?
-Design oGCD tools that prevent healers from not dpsing?
-Give dps spells 1.5s cast time to weave said healing tools?
-Create Sage a healer that HEALS WHILE USING DAMAGE SPELLS?

As I've said previously, there aren't dps centric healers, just healers that know how to play and healers that don't.