FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[Rilifane]

This is actually a better response than I could have hoped for. This is person right here is the kind parsers breed folk. ^

Honestly I would be happier if you quit. You’re basically textbook OPs video lol.

Y’all here that? Y’all are not worthy of them gracing your parties.

Congratulations, you missed the point.
Everyone says "You can have fun the way YOU want" - only raiding with your statics or deliberately chosing parse runs IS playing the way they like and nobody is entitled to them joining your parties. This is not about being worthy or unworthy, don't make things up and try to use it as an argument. Assuming malice for the sake of it doesn't make it the truth.
It's about them having every right to chose how and with whom they want to play and nobody in PF is entitled to anything.
I'm not entitled to people unlocking their 2 chest party or lowering their ilvl requirement so I can join. Practice parties are not entitled to someone experienced joining even IF they welcome helpers. Everyone has the option to chose how to tackle the content, nobody is forced OR entitled to anythin.

So, yes. You are NOT entitled to them joining your parties because they have the right to chose their company in PF just as you do.

[Johners]

This is actually a better response than I could have hoped for. This is person right here is the kind parsers breed folk. ^

Honestly I would be happier if you quit. You’re basically textbook OPs video lol.

Y’all here that? Y’all are not worthy of them gracing your parties.

Except I don’t clear savage or parse, I’m just aware that expecting BiS parsers to join party finder progression runs this far into the tier is exceptionally dumb. It would be like expecting a world first Mythic raider to join a heroic group finder run back when I played World of Warcraft, it’s not the great idea you think it is.

The entire point of progression is that you move beyond something. I’d have absolutely no desire to get BiS Savage geared, be easily clearing content and then going back into random progression groups via the PF to progress again on the same tier. Progression is a line, not a circle and unless I’m helping someone I know personally, I’m not going to touch it once I’ve gotten my BiS and good parses.

I get the impression SOME people hate parsers because they’re not being carried by them. To quote the great Ion Hazzikostas, frankly that’s a skill issue.

[Ath192]

And you honestly think you're any better with your stance that a huge swathe of the raiding community should suffer just because the actions of a small minority hurt a few peoples feels?

Your high horse is a festering pile sir.

I side with the director of the game. Yoshi has explicitly said he wants better players to help others. And none of it involves using a third party tool. So quite frankly, for better or worse my view point merely aligns with the desire of the games director.

If you want to victimize yourself and others to play me off as the evil one for doing so that’s your call. But know it goes against what the developers wished for the game.

But it’s typical for the offending party to play themselves as victims somehow and attack others personally when they can’t come up with a good logical argument to counter. So it’s not wholly unexpected.

[Johners]

I side with the director of the game. Yoshi has explicitly said he wants better players to help others. And none of it involves using a third party tool. So quite frankly, for better or worse my view point merely aligns with the desire of the games director.

If you want to victimize yourself and others to play me off as the evil one for doing so that’s your call. But know it goes against what the developers wished for the game.

But it’s typical for the offending party to play themselves as victims somehow and attack others personally when they can’t come up with a good logical argument to counter. So it’s not wholly unexpected.

Except helping others is entirely optional, you’re not entitled to another players time just because they’re playing the game as you don’t pay their subscription. Most parsers play like that because they enjoy it and they’d simply stop playing if they couldn’t do that. It’s an actual monkeys paw wish to ask for that to go away.

Not to mention a lot of guides and combat analysis tools are produced by the parsers that use them. You’d risk cannibalising a larger section of the player base if FFLogs went away. You think you do but you don’t.

[Rilifane]

I side with the director of the game. Yoshi has explicitly said he wants better players to help others. And none of it involves using a third party tool. So quite frankly, for better or worse my view point merely aligns with the desire of the games director.

If you want to victimize yourself and others to play me off as the evil one for doing so that’s your call. But know it goes against what the developers wished for the game.

But it’s typical for the offending party to play themselves as victims somehow and attack others personally when they can’t come up with a good logical argument to counter. So it’s not wholly unexpected.

It was you getting offended over someone asking what makes you entitled to them joining your parties and that is a valid point, like it or not.
Why ARE you entitled to them joining our parties?
Apparently you can't see the difference between "I'd like better players to help less skilled players" (which was in relation to DF by the way, when he explained that DF content is designed so 1-2 good players can carry the rest) and expecting people to help others even if they don't feel like it.
Yoshi P wasn't forcing anyone to play in a certain way. He encouraged helping others but he still left everyone the choice to not do so if they don't want to. Other players aren't a walking charity with their only purpose to help others. They have every right to play in a way that they enjoy most. For some it's hopping into practice/ clear party after practice/ clear party and helping people get through a tier. For others it's staying with their static. Both are valid and fine and there is no amount of holier-than-thou attidue that'll change it.
And part of the evil parsers that won't help anyone because evil are the ones coming up with guides and answering question after question in the balance channels. Just saying.

So yes, it's indeed typical for the offending party to play themselves as victims - as you have just proven. So much hypocrisy in one post.

[Liam_Harper]

I side with the director of the game. Yoshi has explicitly said he wants better players to help others.

Give me one reason why I should pay a subscription, log on and give up hours of my free time to help players in PF who are quite happy to state that they don't care about contributing to the team because they want to play their way and that they think I'm a filthy hardcore elitist and the game would be better off without me.

Yoshi P can stuff that mindset. Especially as a healer, I'm honestly sick of having my role neglected and simplified for players who don't care about teamwork, being told I'm not healing for not spamming GCD's when in reality I'm contributing 4 times as much as they are, being banned from pointing it out with proof and then being told I'm expected to carry that type of player so they can have fun, for no reward, at the expense of my fun. It's not even help "each other" at all, it's "carry me".

Hell no.

[Ath192]

It was you getting offended over someone asking what makes you entitled to them joining your parties and that is a valid point, like it or not.
Why ARE you entitled to them joining our parties?

I see the argument you're trying to make here, but its a legalism and intellectual dishonesty imho. We all knew what he was saying, turning this into plausible deniability that this person merely meant to say an abstract truth doesn't float. Imho nobody is going to buy it.

More importantly though, it simply highlights what these people think of others and themselves. And its just classical elitism.

The onslaught of quick responses indicates it struck a nerve. Good.

I'll let you argue the games stance on parsing with the TOS

■Behavior that disrupts the game balance
Square Enix strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools as these disrupt the balance of the game. Third-party programs and tools that permit automated or "absentee" play are prohibited. A Game Master (GM) may speak to players to investigate and confirm "absentee" play, and if the player continues with this behavior, contrary to the GM's instructions, they will be treated as participating in "absentee" play and subject to penalties.

Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.
- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

[Ath192]

Give me one reason why I should pay a subscription, log on and give up hours of my free time to help players in PF who are quite happy to state that they don't care about contributing to the team because they want to play their way and that they think I'm a filthy hardcore elitist and the game would be better off without me.

Yoshi P can stuff that mindset. Especially as a healer, I'm honestly sick of having my role neglected and simplified for players who don't care about teamwork, being told I'm not healing for not spamming GCD's when in reality I'm contributing 4 times as much as they are, being banned from pointing it out with proof and then being told I'm expected to carry that type of player so they can have fun, for no reward, at the expense of my fun. It's not even help "each other" at all, it's "carry me".

Hell no.

Um... Dont then, just don't pollute the PF with your toxic remarks when parsing or grief your party by wiping it to get that extra GCD and you'll be fine.

[Zer0ofTime]

Using ACT just to make sure your own dmg is where it should be is a great tool to help you understand your rotation and improving in fights. There ARE certain fights in the game that ARE DPS checks, but don't ever use it to tell others where they are at and put them down. It's simple as that.

[Sebazy]

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