FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

I saw a video and Asmogold talked about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fH...el=AsmongoldTV

So is it a disease? I mean if all that these people care about maybe it is?

[KageTokage]

Parses are helpful for self-improvement and easily identifying weak links in a party, but I don't consider them useful for much past that.

There are a lot of people who take unneeded risks for the sake of min-maxing their DPS even if it means potentially killing other players and/or wiping the raid.

FFLogs in general just contributes towards a toxic raiding environment when it places everyone's performance on public display whether they like it or not...and no, hiding your parses is not a solution when the website will just straight up just tell people "This person is hiding their parses" which tends to draw even more negative attention then allowing your unoptimized second-hand parses to be on display. If you could completely ghost yourself with your name totally scrubbed from the website whether you're not signed up or actively choosing to opt out, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Don't get me wrong, I try to bring my best to ANY group I'm in regardless of the activity. I research my rotation and try to notice mistakes and small optimizations that can be made in any given fight, but I'm nonetheless left feeling troubled knowing that I have a permanent performance record anyone can reference at will as it adds an extra layer of stress to my gameplay that would otherwise not exist since people can and will judge you. If there is nothing for them to judge in advance, they would only be able to formulate an opinion of an individual after actually partying with them, which is much how I would prefer things to be. I want to be judged in the moment, not by some performance metric that has no guarantees of even being accurate given the myriad ways it can be skewed (Omission of parses whether deliberately or not actively logging yourself being the most common reasons).

[Dzian]

FFlogs and other sites should definitely be "Opt-In" not "Opt-Out". If they are a just a tool for self improvment then other peoples data shouldn't matter at all.

If Bill does a search for Gary and Gary hasnt registered on fflogs or opted in it should just say "This player isn't registered" instead of a "This player is hiding their data" There's a big difference between those two messages.

Personally I hid my data years ago (around Thordans Reign iirc) and tend not to care less. The only way to ensure any data on there is accurate is to upload everything you do yourself and well it's just easier to hide yourself.
There are situations on logs for example where there are 3 uploaded parses on an ex primal content I've cleared and smashed 55-60 times. The average of those 3 was rather low but by no means an accurate. My average performance was significantly better than those 3 runs that got uploaded but in order to show that I'd have to upload 55-60 parses and I just dont care that much.
However 3 parses. That's maybe 5% of my time in that piece of content.. It's a million miles from being accurate / usable data.

Should definitely be an "Opt-in" basis though. If you havent registered or chosen to make your data visible then it should be hidden from searches or perhaps even completely anonymised..
like if you look at someone elses uploaded parse from a party you were in your name would be replaced with just dragoon or whatever job you were on.

If they are just "a self improvement tool" then other peoples data being hidden wouldn't impact that in anyway..

[ForteNightshade]

FFlogs and other sites should definitely be "Opt-In" not "Opt-Out". If they are a just a tool for self improvment then other peoples data shouldn't matter at all..

If Bill does a search for Gary and Gary hasnt registered on fflogs or opted in it should just say "This player isn't registered" instead of a "This player is hiding their data" There's a big difference between those two messages.

There really isn't. Someone who hasn't registered on FFlogs will be viewed with the same stigma as someone hiding their logs. At the end of the day, FFlogs is treated as your raid resume. Good groups won't use it as the end all be all when potentially looking to recruit. However, many want some sort of reference point to go over. Say you're looking for a semi-hardcore group but have never parsed above 50%. Even with a solid mechanical consistency, those types of groups want players who can equally push damage alongside handling mechanics. In all probability, the players simply won't have the same goals. In fact, I'll cite a friend of mine who parses above average. He literally only cares about clearing even if it's entirely scuffed. Which is great. He and I wouldn't gel well in a group together because I really couldn't care less about clearing Savage "just for the weekly" once we've finished prog. I want to optimize as that's the aspect of Savage I enjoy most. I don't have any qualms if we wipe because someone messed up and it caused deaths to spiral.

FFlogs is simply a tool. Some players misuse it but the tool itself isn't to blame. Nor is it a disease. The sheer irony is FFlogs keeps Savage alive. Without an Ultimate, there simply isn't a point for people to even run it outside of the initial gear.

It should also be noted pretty much nobody cares about logs below Savage. At least in terms of good players you'd actually want to be around. Even Ultimate parses are generally thought of as more of a cool meme than a serious goal. Having three EX Primals uploaded won't mean a thing unless you're trying to jump into a hider tier midcore group. Then they'll likely want to see some degree of experience.

Parsing just seems to be the extension of a bigger problem this community has, which is trying to coach and teach players who have no interest in being taught, just focus on yourself and your own play.
If parsing really is for personal improvement, then people really shouldn't be turning it on in roulettes or normal content and just leave it to PF content and their static, but a lot of people definitely don't use it like that.

This line of logic would suffice... if this weren't a team game. Your performance in Savage will impact my goals of clearing. A tank who refuses to mitigate forces their healers to either accommodate their poor play or comment on it. They literally can't improve if they're having to constantly baby tanks or DPS who couldn't care less. And who is often played for the DPS dying despite said DPS eating their fourth vuln stack? Just this week I argued with a Bard in P1S because they didn't want to flex and dismissively said "I don't care about a number on a website." Basically, they couldn't care less if the tanks suffered a 30% damage down all because they couldn't be bothered to learn how to do the mechanic properly. Do I actually care about the parse? Not really. I even rejoined that same party after they booted the Bard despite them no longer having a Prange. For me, it's the principle of demanding others to accommodate your laziness.
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In the end SE is largely to blame for creating this DPS centric mentality amongst the playerbase because there's literally nothing else to focus on. As a tank, I barely have any genuine tanking responsibilities. Every boss auto-positions, does infrequent and entirely scripted busters and aggro management is a joke. Healers have it even worse. Nothing below the Savage level necessities any kind of healing. Even Savage itself barely does. Hence why they're constantly complaining about their boring nuke spam "rotation." When the support roles aren't evaluated on their ability to tank or heal, respectively, but rather on their efficiency at being a gimped DPS. It's hardly a wonder why parse metrics have become so pervasive at the Savage level. And this is entirely on SE not the playerbase.

[Ronduwil]

Healers have it even worse. Nothing below the Savage level necessities any kind of healing.

Players keep saying that, but I swear I see a tank die in the roulette almost every night because they're under the delusion that they can pull three packs with no mitigation and duck around a corner with no worries. Some fights I barely have time to keep my dot on the boss because players are taking so much damage. If you're always running with fully geared players who have been clearing the roulette every single day for the last five years, you would understandably have this perception, but as somenoe who always queues with random players, I don't feel underutilized as a healer. It's rare to clear even a level 50 alliance raid in the roulette without seeing several deaths. A periodic Medica II may suffice for experienced players, but for other players it's just a start. There's only one rescue button, and it has a lengthy cooldown.

[SenorPatty]

I had a feeling this video was gonna show up on these forums. Didn't know we'd have to go through Asmon's video first to see it >.>

Anywho, the short answer is no. Mishapen's overall point is that some parsers in the parsing community make terrible decisions in raids, all for parse results for the player-created and supported site, FFLOGS.

I could go in details but the video is there to explain all that.

[LianaThorne]

I saw a video and Asmogold talked about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fH...el=AsmongoldTV

So is it a disease? I mean if all that these people care about maybe it is?

It's not all people care about. Outside of savage (and MAYBE extreme) content, it's literally irrelevant and anyone who uses ACT in dungeons to harass people have their own problems.

In terms of savage, there are dps requirements that have to be met in order to clear the fight. Parsing/using ACT in that way is incredibly useful for this so statics can keep track of how close they are to hitting said mark and, if they're far off, who needs to improve to help hit said mark.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

https://youtu.be/zWto97Jv50M here is the original video

[gotaname1]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

[Cheremia]

there is only bigger disease in f14 than parsing and that is people complaining about it despite being literally unaffected by it. Bonus points if those players dont even do the content where the parsing happens.

Bonus points if they also call you toxic for pointing out that aoe on single target isn't what's supposed to happen and other little tips. Because you're a healer and see the Samurai disengage on bosses all the time and runs back.... and watching people press every button in extistence on cooldown, no matter what it do because they don't know.

Or call you toxic for people to want others to pay attention after 4 wipes in Orbonne.

List goes on... and on...


Not to sound too rude, but i think people against parsers complain about parsers because they can't be bothered to even try in this game because usually, the other 3/7/23 people will carry you through the content....
I do my "best" in any content i play and i legit would not care if some person i run with parses me because it wouldn't affect me at all. Even if they would call me out for something i do wrong. At least i'd know then that what i do is wrong.
I'd like to know how well I do actually, so i dont see the problem in it.

There are just people that want to play the game and do the most damage they can and KNOW how much it is. What's the problem in it? If you get harrased somehow, you can report them, just like you can report people calling you names for trying a little bit in fights/pvp/whatever.

Aka: Mentioning parsers and stuff gets you banned.
But people coming at you with everything and whiteknighting that poor baby that doesnt want to play if they are normally asked things or normally told a tip is... like... something i saw happen a lot more than anything else tbh. Some people are extremely toxic about not wanting to play the game actually that it's pretty insane.

I remember people wanting to kick me after i asked the other whm multipe times to why they are using cure 2 a lot and they told me it's for freecure... even tho cure 2 doesn't procc freecure and freecure is a waste of mp if it doesn't trigger on the first 2 tries.... And also, the whm said i was wrong and that i'm lying. And one whiteknight random person said that this is just casual so who cares if the other whm runs out of mp all the time because they spam cure, just have fun etc.