I'm back from Lost Ark

[SilverObi]

How much do you think people pay to get carried through high end content in FFXIV?

Theodric if you're going to defend that crap in LA and attempt to compare it to XIV, at least use something actually comparable. Players selling wins isn't the same thing as LA selling players materials or progression or power. If you wanted to make a comparison at least use the Job or MSQ skips as those offer progression for money.

No dog in this fight, just jeez dude you used to make intelligent arguments.

[Raoabolic]

I think he's non refundable.

No refund needed, i'll just leave it in the parking lot.

[LaylaTsarra]

Theodric if you're going to defend that crap in LA and attempt to compare it to XIV, at least use something actually comparable. Players selling wins isn't the same thing as LA selling players materials or progression or power. If you wanted to make a comparison at least use the Job or MSQ skips as those offer progression for money.

No dog in this fight, just jeez dude you used to make intelligent arguments.

Well need to put down 14 in whatever thread. It's pretty standard fare for some on this forum. Nothing new here move along. I'm sure all games have their good and bad none are perfect.

[Theodric]

Theodric if you're going to defend that crap in LA and attempt to compare it to XIV, at least use something actually comparable. Players selling wins isn't the same thing as LA selling players materials or progression or power. If you wanted to make a comparison at least use the Job or MSQ skips as those offer progression for money.

No dog in this fight, just jeez dude you used to make intelligent arguments.

I'm defending it on the basis that it's a fun game to play on the side and despite playing it on the side I managed to start 'late' and catch up without spending a single bit of real world money. There's long been many people attacking F2P games simply for being F2P but then you've got FFXIV being a subscription based game that leans on all manner of shady business practices that it conveniently gets given a free pass for.

As I see it, either people are truly against such business practices in general or it's solely tribalism at play.

Well need to put down 14 in whatever thread. It's pretty standard fare for some on this forum. Nothing new here move along. I'm sure all games have their good and bad none are perfect.

Ah, this again! Some people just care enough about FFXIV to view it through the lens of 'how can it improve' and 'how can it avoid the pitfalls of the competition' rather than 'this is teh best evar it can never be criticised'.

[Darksummoner]

How much do you think people pay to get carried through high end content in FFXIV?

Just stop. Are you really trying to compare Lost Ark's P2W to FFXIV. You must have fell out of bed and hit your head. I just can't even entertain your posts any more. Utterly ridiculous to think their is a comparison when people are literally dumping money like crazy in Lost Ark. As far as you claiming that people dumping thousands of money to get carried in high end raids. Well that is severe Hyperbole. I know of people who have done what you say and they paid just a little under 125 bucks. So, no, people spending thousands of money in Lost Ark literally, is just lost ark.

[SturmChurro]

Just stop. Are you really trying to compare Lost Ark's P2W to FFXIV. You must have fell out of bed and hit your head. I just can't even entertain your posts any more. Utterly ridiculous to think their is a comparison when people are literally dumping money like crazy in Lost Ark. As far as you claiming that people dumping thousands of money to get carried in high end raids. Well that is severe Hyperbole. I know of people who have done what you say and they paid just a little under 125 bucks. So, no, people spending thousands of money in Lost Ark literally, just lost ark.

Have you played Lost Ark, do you know what exactly they are paying for?

[SilverObi]

I'm defending it on the basis that it's a fun game to play on the side and despite playing it on the side I managed to start 'late' and catch up without spending a single bit of real world money ...

That comes off as an actual well-reasoned defense and I can get behind that stance, as I play other games that are predatory or have heavy 'pay for convenience' stuff pushed on the player through heavy grinds or obtuse systems and never spend money as well. I just didn't get why you brought up player-based RMT and tried to compare it like SE makes money off those transactions.

[Dionysius]

Everyone misspelled Lost Ark, it's *Cost Ark.

[Darksummoner]

Have you played Lost Ark, do you know what exactly they are paying for?

I don't mean to be rude, but I decided to end this conversation after my last post. I have decided this whole post was click bait, and I fell for it. So I am done with it after what I type here.

[Theodric]

That comes off as an actual well-reasoned defense and I can get behind that stance, as I play other games that are predatory or have heavy 'pay for convenience' stuff pushed on the player through heavy grinds or obtuse systems and never spend money as well. I just didn't get why you brought up player-based RMT and tried to compare it like SE makes money off those transactions.

It's because people with an addictive personality will resort to whatever means is available to them in order to be 'first'. Whether that is done officially or through backroom deals doesn't matter much - they'll find a way.

I just don't care enough about microtransactions when they're present in pretty much every MMO these days. I can show restraint and not pay extra and if other people fall prey to the desire? Well, its no skin off of my nose.

I just don't see much point in pretending as if FFXIV is some perfect angel on that front, especially with the CEO recently coming out with praise for NFT's and Yoshi-P shilling increasingly expensive merchandise each time a new Live Letter swings around.