I'm back from Lost Ark

[Theodric]

Theodric if you're going to defend that crap in LA and attempt to compare it to XIV, at least use something actually comparable. Players selling wins isn't the same thing as LA selling players materials or progression or power. If you wanted to make a comparison at least use the Job or MSQ skips as those offer progression for money.

No dog in this fight, just jeez dude you used to make intelligent arguments.

I'm defending it on the basis that it's a fun game to play on the side and despite playing it on the side I managed to start 'late' and catch up without spending a single bit of real world money. There's long been many people attacking F2P games simply for being F2P but then you've got FFXIV being a subscription based game that leans on all manner of shady business practices that it conveniently gets given a free pass for.

As I see it, either people are truly against such business practices in general or it's solely tribalism at play.

Well need to put down 14 in whatever thread. It's pretty standard fare for some on this forum. Nothing new here move along. I'm sure all games have their good and bad none are perfect.

Ah, this again! Some people just care enough about FFXIV to view it through the lens of 'how can it improve' and 'how can it avoid the pitfalls of the competition' rather than 'this is teh best evar it can never be criticised'.

[SilverObi]

I'm defending it on the basis that it's a fun game to play on the side and despite playing it on the side I managed to start 'late' and catch up without spending a single bit of real world money ...

That comes off as an actual well-reasoned defense and I can get behind that stance, as I play other games that are predatory or have heavy 'pay for convenience' stuff pushed on the player through heavy grinds or obtuse systems and never spend money as well. I just didn't get why you brought up player-based RMT and tried to compare it like SE makes money off those transactions.

[Theodric]

That comes off as an actual well-reasoned defense and I can get behind that stance, as I play other games that are predatory or have heavy 'pay for convenience' stuff pushed on the player through heavy grinds or obtuse systems and never spend money as well. I just didn't get why you brought up player-based RMT and tried to compare it like SE makes money off those transactions.

It's because people with an addictive personality will resort to whatever means is available to them in order to be 'first'. Whether that is done officially or through backroom deals doesn't matter much - they'll find a way.

I just don't care enough about microtransactions when they're present in pretty much every MMO these days. I can show restraint and not pay extra and if other people fall prey to the desire? Well, its no skin off of my nose.

I just don't see much point in pretending as if FFXIV is some perfect angel on that front, especially with the CEO recently coming out with praise for NFT's and Yoshi-P shilling increasingly expensive merchandise each time a new Live Letter swings around.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I just don't see much point in pretending as if FFXIV is some perfect angel on that front,

We visit the same Forums Correct? Nobody thinks FFXIV is Some Perfect Angel on ANY Front

[Sqwall]

I came back from Doom Eternal.

Wow that combat....is NOTHING like FFXIV.

Cause it's a different game. so...

[Sqwall]

I came back from Gran Turismo 7, and wow FFXIV needs to take a page from a driving sim so it caters to everyone.

Sheesh

[Sqwall]

Man I just got back from Elden Ring! *points with thumb in direction of great game*

....FFXIV ... seriously.... please add dodge roll...

[Midareyukki]

I came back from Gran Turismo 7, and wow FFXIV needs to take a page from a driving sim so it caters to everyone.

Sheesh

I mean, we do have the Regalia. Urianger also got a driver's license while in the First.