I'm back from Lost Ark

[Padudu]

So instead of being the bigger people y’all resort to insulting another game and it’s devs? So much for the great community i guess

We're addicted to the violence, what can we say?

[Atelier-Bagur]

I just find it funny how quickly people are to say “go play another game” or echo yoshi’s sentiment of playing other games, yet when people make posts talking about playing said other games, many posters feel the need to bash those games. Maybe you should listen to your godly developer and be respectful of other games? No one’s saying you have to like the game but if you’re going to continuously bash it, then be prepared for some criticism abou 14 as well. What’s funny is a lot of the posters i see here bashing lost ark are the same posters who get hyper offended if you mention anything is wrong with 14.

The issue is that a certain poster here is clearly instigating drama with their "lost ark good, FF bad" threads and this is why you see people get uppity with the discussion. Not because they're playing other MMOs and sharing their genuine experiences and how this game can improve.

[forsakee]

Lost Ark combat is way more fun than FF14 because unlike FF14 they did not dumb down jobs. FF14 is carried by its encounters. If FF14 didn't have good encounter design it'll be a supremely boring game.

#facts #truth #facts and logic

Feel free to leave again Lost ark was the most trash MMO I've ever experienced

[MintnHoney]

People did the math and it absolutely is unless you want to grind for years.

That said, even I had the ability to enter the dreaded Tier 3 without spending money and I've even amassed a decent amount of cash shop currency by casually working the marketplace (you can sell honing materials to people for gold, and then trade gold for crystals). There's also a lot of horizontal progression in the game, which makes getting to the tippy-topiest of endgames unnecessary to have fun (it's why I've been selling most, if not all of my materials). The grind isn't absolutely as necessary as people believe.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The issue is that a certain poster here is clearly instigating drama with their "lost ark good, FF bad" threads and this is why you see people get uppity with the discussion. Not because they're playing other MMOs and sharing their genuine experiences and how this game can improve.

Which i get that, don’t feed the trolls. You can critique the poster themselves without needlessly bashing the game though. Many people like the game and even my bias for 14 aside, i do think there are some nice elements that could be taken from lost ark to 14. But seeing people just going “omg that game trash, omg it sucks so much” when meanwhile, these same people are the ones who get personally offended when you critique 14 in any way shape or form.

[SturmChurro]

People did the math and it absolutely is unless you want to grind for years.

What math? What content? What videos are you all even watching? You don't even have to log into your characters everyday, and still progress. The "grind" is literally 2 chaos dungeons a day, maybe 2 guardians if you feel like it, your weekly abbysal and/or argos and that's it. I can finish up everything I need to do and still progress on my sorceress in about an hour everyday - and that is me taking my time.

[Skiros]

It isn't really 'pay to win'. I tried it out a month after launch, didn't spend a single bit of money on the store and still managed to catch up easily enough between the items I gained naturally and the generous rewards offered through the login bonuses/special events.

With Square Enix flirting with NFT's and selling dolls of comfort characters for £1000 I also find it strange to bash one game for optional purchases but ignore the other. Even if you want to go 'well it's just cosmetics' and ignore stuff like emotes and minions being tied to merchandise, to get extra inventory space in FFXIV you need to pay extra each month.

It is sorta P2W if you want to do the highest level raid content on day 1. It's like having a Savage difficulty raid and an Ultimate difficulty raid and most F2P players would only be able to get to Savage naturally, do Savage for a month then move on to Ultimate. For example Valtan normal (1415) vs Valtan hard (1445). Most players would be able to get to 1415 naturally but 1445 is HC F2P / moderate whale ($300) territory if you want to do it on day 1.

Same goes for Abrelshud. Phase 1-2 (1490) will be available to most people easily on release, but Phase 5-6 (1530 if I'm not wrong) will require whaling to get to on day 1, but people should be able to get there within a month.

In that sense FF14 is a superior raiding game if you care about doing content fast. I have paid $13 in FF14 to be able to do DSR on day 1. To do the equivalent in Lost Ark would require $300 or $1000 or something like that.

Another thing I dislike about Lost Ark: the playerbase is obsessed with using ilvl or roster lv as a status symbol. People look down on those who have lower ilvl or roster lv. But both of those things either mean you no-lifed the game or that you whaled. Neither indicate skill. People might not like it but at least FF14 Ultimates allow you to actually prove your skill to randos. Hell mode (which is actual equalized raiding content) isn't coming out in Lost Ark for a long time so everything in Lost Ark right now can be cleared by just whaling. I do not like how so many people in Lost Ark trash on other people's ilvl or engravings as if that means they're a worse player. Hopefully hell mode comes out soon so that people can start comparing their epeens with something that requires skill.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I just don't see much point in pretending as if FFXIV is some perfect angel on that front,

We visit the same Forums Correct? Nobody thinks FFXIV is Some Perfect Angel on ANY Front

[Sqwall]

I came back from Doom Eternal.

Wow that combat....is NOTHING like FFXIV.

Cause it's a different game. so...

[Sqwall]

I came back from Gran Turismo 7, and wow FFXIV needs to take a page from a driving sim so it caters to everyone.

Sheesh