Healers need an overhaul

[AngeliouxRein]

Kind of annoying that people always bring up WoW at every turn but anyway...

Between the graphs (I know you mentioned they were random) but it's kind of giving the impression of a newbie WHM spamming cure II out of panic while the other could be from a vet who just got an interesting group but could still find moments to use more of their kit... It doesn't really set the tone that WoW actually designed their game to be more heal intense or not. At least not from someone like me who's never played WoW.

I come from a long line of games that mostly got rid of the trinity.. and the last game I played before choosing this one as my home was Blade and Soul. SMN in that game was the healer and I don't remember building my SMN to be a pure healer (don't even think you could honestly) ... hence I only had one heal while the rest of my kit was related to my summons and the actual summoner attacking. Thinking back all the way to my first game, healers where always treated as either support or green dps but never a pure healer.. for a damn good reason. The few games others mention on these threads (I forget the name of those games lol) where healers was pure healers were, what it sounds like, was because the games designed the encounters to hit like a truck and possibly around the fact of healers having weak heals... but even if we ask for that, a very vocal and stressed out group of healers would spook Yoshi and his team into thinking healers need even more heals ... stronger ones..because..reasons.

Hence putting us full circle of us asking for more utility or dps to help create a skill ceiling, that use to exist and needs to come back... badly.

[Reimmi]

Just a bit more to do damage wise on the healers, nothing crazy

Make scholar a dot management healer
White mage could be like black mage and have some deeper mechanic with lily's that alters their spells
Astro more buffs? they already have the lowest personal dps so making this the healer to play if you want to be full support sounds good, just add more buffs
And sage, i'm not sure, but i'd like to see their damage-healing mechanic be expanded upon so it's not just the scholar fairy in practice

Just my 2 cents on what they could do

[Rolder50]

Between the graphs (I know you mentioned they were random) but it's kind of giving the impression of a newbie WHM spamming cure II out of panic while the other could be from a vet who just got an interesting group but could still find moments to use more of their kit... It doesn't really set the tone that WoW actually designed their game to be more heal intense or not. At least not from someone like me who's never played WoW.

Just to be clear, the logs I used as reference are from random clears of Mythic Jailer, which in context would be roughly equivalent to first month Ultimate clears. Top of the top players.

[AngeliouxRein]

Just to be clear, the logs I used as reference are from random clears of Mythic Jailer, which in context would be roughly equivalent to first month Ultimate clears. Top of the top players.

Thanks for that! Well now I have to ask, was all content of WoW like this or just end game? To where healers could act as pure healers in most content or was more of a mix?

[Sani2341]

Thanks for that! Well now I have to ask, was all content of WoW like this or just end game? To where healers could act as pure healers in most content or was more of a mix?

Back when I played (wotl/Cats) healing was indeed mostly healing in most content. Pretty sure I got to use what CC and utility (decurse,manaregen, Detox,...) As often as my damage skills in all content. Granted that's just my anecdotal memory.

[AngeliouxRein]

Back when I played (wotl/Cats) healing was indeed mostly healing in most content. Pretty sure I got to use what CC and utility (decurse,manaregen, Detox,...) As often as my damage skills in all content. Granted that's just my anecdotal memory.

I see, I ask this only because those who've been playing this game much longer than me would often times mention SE being inspired by WoW over the years. Just trying to figure out just how much inspiration is spilling over even though, the way WoW players talk about it, it seems like entirely different game designs from the start... well at least anytime I read about it anyway. Anyway, I appreciate the feedback though.

[Sani2341]

Yeah, as far as Healing goes, WoW is/was a compeltely different beast. I usually se/saw it refered to as triage healing and not without reason.

Loads of damage, and Mana and thus heals were for the most part a somewhat finite resource.

Where as healing in FFXIV has been, for the time I've been playing it at least, much more laid back comparatively. no need to top up people asap, rather generous MP regeneration, and once you get used to your kit, ample time to contribute DPS to beat enrage etc. And back then that non-healign part was engaging. Figuring out what to do with any given AST card or keepign all the DoTs on SCH up was somethign to do and kept you thinkign about what was going on. Can't comment on WHM from back then as I don't really play it.

[BrokentoothMarch]

How about this: The devs stop being cute and we just kick healers off the necessary slot for duty finder. Honestly, I'm so burnt out from having my favorite job butchered since StB and so irritated that the game can basically be played without them that I want to just queue up without needing to wait for the local Glarebot.

I'm done. I'm burnt. I'm a PLD main now. I don't need a healer. Dump 3DPS on me and let's go.

[Acece]

It's kind of funny seeing that the holy priest has to significantly heal more but has more dps spells then ffxiv lol. Holy priest casts 124 DPS spell casts which is actually quite a bit of the overall spell casts that is spread across 7 spells that are pretty evenly spread. Meanwhile in ffxiv we have healers going 150+ casts of glare, broil, melific, dosis broken up with 30 sec dot with about 20 casts per fight.
It's actually embarrassing how bad the DPS options are for healers

[Grann-Goro]

Once upon a time, during patch 2.3, there was an exploit in the Ramuh fight where it was possible to do the fight with no tanks at all.

It was corected in no time because they didn't want a whole role to become unnecessary...

Ha ha ha....