Healers need an overhaul

[ty_taurus]

What are your thoughts about SE turning Glare, Malefic, etc into the healer auto attack?

* This would free them to add more dps rotations.
* Or we would press even fewer buttons, standing around waiting to heal while the auto-Glare did its thing.

What do you think about turning healers into Dancer-like dps with more powerful healing?

* I've moved to Dancer and noticed if the CD and potency of the Dancer heals were adjusted, Dancer could serve as a reasonable healer stand in. Add in a good single-target heal, and the Dancer would be a solid healer with the current, casual content design.
* Dancer offers a solid base for healer design. Thoughts?

Creating gameplay where the objective is to stand around and objectively not play the game is an atrocious form of game design. If I wanted to stand around waiting for something to happen, I'd go to the DMV, not log into an MMO. That said, even if you were to axe Glare/Broil/Malefic/Dosis, then healers would just shift to spamming Holy III/Art of War II/Gravity II/Dyskrasia II because it would be a DPS gain.

Every job needs some form of "filler" action or actions that they can fall back on when all other tools have been used, whether that means DoTs are ticking, cooldowns are spent, or action-specific resources have been used. You could make auto-attacks stronger by adding a mind-scaling additions to them in some fashion, and that in theory could increase the skill floor by redirecting DPS into an auto-attacks, but they also require you maintain uptime on targeting enemies, which I don't find difficult and generally do simply to see the cast bar, but other players might find it hard.

That said, I do kinda wish caster auto attacks were ranged similar to how Aerith in FF7R flings small magical projectiles by swinging her staff. Even if we add no scaling at all, I just think it would feel thematically more appropriate, especially on SGE who currently just palms the enemy rather than firing small jolts from their nouliths.

[ASkellington]

That said, I do kinda wish caster auto attacks were ranged similar to how Aerith in FF7R flings small magical projectiles by swinging her staff. Even if we add no scaling at all, I just think it would feel thematically more appropriate, especially on SGE who currently just palms the enemy rather than firing small jolts from their nouliths.

Can my auto as AST be throwing a card (at range)? We literally see Urianger doing it.

[Midareyukki]

Can my auto as AST be throwing a card (at range)? We literally see Urianger doing it.

Twisted Fate autos? Yes please Square. Heck, it'd make me feel a bit like Ace from Type-0

[Maltothoris]

I still find it kinda funny how according this interview https://sea.ign.com/final-fantasy-xi...-naoki-yoshida how it took SGE 6 months to develop and RPR 3 months while RPR has some interesting bits while SGE is just less janky and less powerful SCH.

Edit: Also shows how they are limiting themselves in keeping all the healers magical.

[Zebraoracle]

SGE is just less janky and less powerful SCH.

I've been saying this for months. As much as I love sage, it's a little disheartening to know it's just a less powerful scholar.

[KDSilver]

I've been saying this for months. As much as I love sage, it's a little disheartening to know it's just a less powerful scholar.

I love SGE too a lot but this is a sad fact and truth.

[ty_taurus]

SGE is by a mile my favorite job in terms of aesthetic and style. I'm looking toward 7.0 and really looking forward to seeing what changes about SGE come then. There's a lot of heat revolving around job design in general, so I feel like 7.0 is going to be a make or break point for this game, and if nothing changes, there might be an exodus of prominent players. This in combination with what SGE's identity is suppose to be gives me more faith that SGE may gain more offensive actions, but I'm very cautiously approaching this faith.

It makes me sad though how over EW I am, and it's only 6.28

[technole]

I love SGE too a lot but this is a sad fact and truth.

Holos buff put it closer in available mitigation, already an excellent skill in itself, and we knew Scholar expedient would not make it into ultimate as-is because of how mechanic breaking it was. Fact that Sage is pretty good in DSR says a lot of how well the job is out of the gate. Details are useful like people don't need to be refined inside of bubbles like in the other jobs, hit everyone in yalms range, which is useful for many savage/ultimate mechanics where party splits up across arenas for damage. Plus gap closer to make this work. If you use all the buttons available, very comfy.

[Recon1o6]

I still find it kinda funny how according this interview https://sea.ign.com/final-fantasy-xi...-naoki-yoshida how it took SGE 6 months to develop and RPR 3 months while RPR has some interesting bits while SGE is just less janky and less powerful SCH.

Edit: Also shows how they are limiting themselves in keeping all the healers magical.

This is why everyone wanted chemist. A non magical healer

[Zebraoracle]

I really wish people would stop using this tier as "oh hey look they're working on healing!" I can't speak for P8S yet, but P5-7S have been the same old, "solve the fight and spam your one DPS spell". The lauded DoTs people keep mentioning? Zero threat once your group is geared. The more rapid raid-wide damage? Cool, I *might* have to throw out a GCD heal.

I tend to play very carefully and put clears over damage measuring tools that totally don't exist, so I'll throw out more GCD heals than I should be, but even still I know "this is a waste of my MP and I shouldn't bother" in most cases.

I just mentioned to some friends this tier simultaneously boring the crap out of me so far and it making me feel like a garbage healer and they brought up "well healers wanted harder gameplay". Mmmm, I don't think that's what's going on here...