Healers need an overhaul

[Rehayem]

You enjoy spending 80% of your time spamming Broil? How?

Because people want to be lazy and unengaged with the content. Even my friend follows the same idea -- the least they have to do, the better, which is why we see so many people say "if you want to dps, go dps" and healers who follow Yoshi-P's words of "healers should just heal".

[ty_taurus]

Because people want to be lazy and unengaged with the content. Even my friend follows the same idea -- the least they have to do, the better, which is why we see so many people say "if you want to dps, go dps" and healers who follow Yoshi-P's words of "healers should just heal".

For anyone out there that wants to keep 1 button spamming, adding a more engaging DPS rotation for the rest of us doesn't take away your ability to ignore those other actions, leave them off your hotbar, and continue spamming Broil. Shocking news: you have control over your own gameplay, and if you want to play lazy, that's your choice. Just look at Bootshine/Dragon Kick spam monk...

[Rehayem]

For anyone out there that wants to keep 1 button spamming, adding a more engaging DPS rotation for the rest of us doesn't take away your ability to ignore those other actions, leave them off your hotbar, and continue spamming Broil. Shocking news: you have control over your own gameplay, and if you want to play lazy, that's your choice. Just look at Bootshine/Dragon Kick spam monk...

Because there's a hidden issue people forget about, and that is console players. MMORPGs are never made to be played on a console, unless they can actually pull it off correctly (like TERA did, and worked well). Since people have to shuffle between buttons so much, the reality of the matter is the homogenization of all jobs, not just healers. As we move further into more expansions, more skills will be added, and many more sacrificed, leading to simple 1 button mash in the long run.

[HyoMinPark]

I’m not a healer main, I’d say secondary main? I’ve never begun a tier on scholar, but I usually gear it second. Anyway, I’ve been playing scholar in ex3 and it’s been a total blast. I’m not super hardcore, but always clear a tier before echo; currently curtain call prog, and my statics healers are like the opppsite of the forum healers - they love it and don’t complain about the minutae at all

While there are healers that seem content with the poor state of the role now, that doesn’t mean this is a forum healer phenomenon. Please stop pretending that this is an issue only talked about here. You can find conversations on other platforms debating the state of healers just like you can find them debating the state of tanks and DPS. Flippant responses like this just add to the problem, in my opinion. Downplaying the issues with the role is just as bad as ignoring it.

I’ve seen players from veteran healers to people just picking up healers complain that the role is boring and the same for 90 levels; that it feels as if it doesn’t have any depth to it, which it really doesn’t. I feel like it becomes more obvious the longer you play the role, though. Players that have never healed in FFXIV likely won’t pick up on just how little healing is actually done until they become more comfortable with the job and the toolkit.

I’ve played healers for over six years. This was the second Savage tier I’ve cleared as a healer since I’m normally a physical ranged (the first being Eden’s Verse), and I didn’t really feel all that challenged outside of early prog for late in P3S and in P4S. But once my co-healer and I figured out our healing formula for things like tornadoes and Curtain Call, it was no longer difficult. It was routine. And we both spam our damage button more than we do any sort of healing. I wouldn’t say I have a blast on it—I would call my play on healers “mindless”.

I’m hoping DSR will actually give me some excitement. Healing UCoB was alright, I guess. I played it super safe, but still spent more casts on damage than I did healing overall. Just sucks that I have to find my engagement in the 1 or 2 fights raiders are lucky to get every expansion, or in clown fiesta 24-mans. Versus when I play a DPS I can at least feel engaged even in casual content because I have a rotation to focus on. Healers don’t have that. We don’t even have all that much healing to focus on…

[Nethereal]

I’m not a healer main, I’d say secondary main? I’ve never begun a tier on scholar, but I usually gear it second. Anyway, I’ve been playing scholar in ex3 and it’s been a total blast. I’m not super hardcore, but always clear a tier before echo; currently curtain call prog, and my statics healers are like the opppsite of the forum healers - they love it and don’t complain about the minutae at all

Loving something doesn't mean its faults go away it just means you're willing to ignore them so you can still enjoy them.

[Jirah]

I’m not in favor of adding DPS tools to healer but I’m in favor of turning the damage up by 200% to actually make the healing relevant.

If healers got say, a soft caster rotation. This would still have healers but underwhelming and basically kill off healer roles for glorified support

[WaxSw]

I’m not in favor of adding DPS tools to healer but I’m in favor of turning the damage up by 200% to actually make the healing relevant.

If healers got say, a soft caster rotation. This would still have healers but underwhelming and basically kill off healer roles for glorified support

Repeating what I said in other thread:

"The problem with high damage is:
-The game is heavily scripted, which means there will always be damage predictable and as such healers will be able to optimize its heals and get downtime
-The healing kit is not deep either, most of it is "heal with X potency" with barely any interactions
-The game would have to be redesigned entirely to allow that high damage
-Would make healing harder to get into as this would have to be carried all the way from high end to story mode, increasing the skill floor"

adding to that

-The devs have already said several times they're not increaing the damage as they want the normal modes to be accesible
-If the dpsing is still boring then the reward of better healing (which is dpsing) is boring punishing better players
-There is no sweetspot for damage. For example I do ultimates on healer what for me is a "good healing check" for a newbie is a hellish experience and what for a newbie is a "good challenge" for me it may be a snoozefest with near 100% dps uptime, this causes a lot of problems as the devs would have to decide which players are their main target at the cost of neglecting the rest

None of those problems are present in the "increase the dps options" and that's why a lot of us advocate for that as the best possible fix

[Nizzi]

I’m not in favor of adding DPS tools to healer but I’m in favor of turning the damage up by 200% to actually make the healing relevant.

If healers got say, a soft caster rotation. This would still have healers but underwhelming and basically kill off healer roles for glorified support

Okay, we've turned up the damage to 200%. But only in new content, because expecting them to retune every fight in the game previous to the new expac is a bit ridiculous, right? So from 7.0, "healing is relevant."

Except, this does nothing for almost all of the content you play. Everything from level 1-90 still has the weak healing requirements and you're spamming 1-1-1-1 for a majority of that content. So just like Yoshida said with "just do Ultimate lol" we can start saying "just play new content" for people who talk about how boring this entire role is because of 1 button spam, and now we'll have even more tank and DPS players complaining about our role and demanding that SE "fix it" because they're wiping in content more now and they don't like that. So we're not addressing the monotony and boredom of playing through hundreds, if not thousands of hours of content if you pick a healer, and instead just saying "well, catch up to current content if you want to have fun I guess, /shrug"

Or, we can give a few more DPS options (which healers had more of in the past like SCH's DoTs and Shadow Flare) and make the role more accessible for all levels, because baby healers don't need to stress about harder healing requirements, 1 button glaremages won't need to press the new buttons because casual content doesn't particularly need healer DPS to clear, and healers who want to try and improve aren't punished by more Glare/Broil spam and instead are now enabled to have something fun in casual and "hardcore" content. It's fun for everyone!

[ty_taurus]

I’m not in favor of adding DPS tools to healer but I’m in favor of turning the damage up by 200% to actually make the healing relevant.

If healers got say, a soft caster rotation. This would still have healers but underwhelming and basically kill off healer roles for glorified support

Then just continue hitting Fall Glaroilosis and let the rest of us have a full DPS toolkit. No one will force you to do anything, so continue to button mash.

[IDontPetLalas]

I’m not in favor of adding DPS tools to healer but I’m in favor of turning the damage up by 200% to actually make the healing relevant.

If healers got say, a soft caster rotation. This would still have healers but underwhelming and basically kill off healer roles for glorified support

Tell me you're lazy without telling me you're lazy.