Healers need an overhaul

[Rolder50]

"Healers should heal" - i dont know but what and where ? What MMO does this ?
WoW = nope
GW2 = nope
ESO = nope
Lost Ark= nope
Black Deset = nope

Just to name some of the big one's and some of them dont even use the trinity system (tank, healer, dps). I dont know how or from what they draw the conclusion but no game i know of has the "healers should heal" nonsense. For a simple reason: Because its boring and bad game design.

The only game other then FF I can speak to in this list is WoW and the healers over there absolutely have healing as the priority. To prove my case I checked Warcraft Logs, and here's what I found

(These are the number of casts)





Now, WoW has a couple advantages in their healer design that lets them do this. One, there are classes that can heal by doing damage, like Sage but more in depth then just "Heal Kardia target for 130", like Mistweaver Monk or Discipline Priest. Two, the raid comps are more flexible, so you can trade healers out for actual DPS classes if the not a lot of healing is required.

[Allegor]

The only game other then FF I can speak to in this list is WoW and the healers over there absolutely have healing as the priority. To prove my case I checked Warcraft Logs, and here's what I found

(These are the number of casts)





Now, WoW has a couple advantages in their healer design that lets them do this. One, there are classes that can heal by doing damage, like Sage but more in depth then just "Heal Kardia target for 130", like Mistweaver Monk or Discipline Priest. Two, the raid comps are more flexible, so you can trade healers out for actual DPS classes if the not a lot of healing is required.

My WoW is a little rusty, but if I'm interpreting those charts right and assuming they're from the same fight ....that druid was doing jack (unless they were in cat form and those abilities don't show in tha chart) while the priest is actually using their full kit - shadow word: pain, divine star, holy fire, smite, holy word: chastise, those are all dps spells. And that's a holy priest, the "healbot" healer

[Rolder50]

My WoW is a little rusty, but if I'm interpreting those charts right and assuming they're from the same fight ....that druid was doing jack (unless they were in cat form and those abilities don't show in tha chart) while the priest is actually using their full kit - shadow word: pain, divine star, holy fire, smite, holy word: chastise, those are all dps spells. And that's a holy priest, the "healbot" healer

Mine is rusty as well, I just grabbed some random top logs from the front page. But either way, having core healing spells at the top of the list as opposed to the generic DPS filler is the point.

Edit: I double checked the Druid log and they scored an 80 on the DPS parse, though it's *of 25 parses, since I picked Mythic Jailer.

[Acece]

It's kind of funny seeing that the holy priest has to significantly heal more but has more dps spells then ffxiv lol. Holy priest casts 124 DPS spell casts which is actually quite a bit of the overall spell casts that is spread across 7 spells that are pretty evenly spread. Meanwhile in ffxiv we have healers going 150+ casts of glare, broil, melific, dosis broken up with 30 sec dot with about 20 casts per fight.
It's actually embarrassing how bad the DPS options are for healers

[Rolder50]

It's kind of funny seeing that the holy priest has to significantly heal more but has more dps spells then ffxiv lol. Holy priest casts 124 DPS spell casts which is actually quite a bit of the overall spell casts that is spread across 7 spells that are pretty evenly spread. Meanwhile in ffxiv we have healers going 150+ casts of glare, broil, melific, dosis broken up with 30 sec dot with about 20 casts per fight.
It's actually embarrassing how bad the DPS options are for healers

I'll just break down the Holy Priest dps rotation for our friends on here. First thing to note is that Holy Priest is the equivalent of White Mage, a pure healer with fat heals and not much complicated going on. The healbot healer. And yet they have...

Shadow Word: Pain - Generic Single Target Dot (think Dia)
Holy Fire - Single Target Hit + Dot, Dot can be stacked
Holy Word: Chastise - Single Target Hit with a cooldown, also CCs when applicable.
Smite - Generic Single Target filler spell, but each cast reduces the cooldown on Chastise, and has a chance to reset the cooldown on Holy Fire
Shadow Word: Death - Big damage only below 20% enemy health, but hurts you too if it doesn't kill, so you need to be mindful of your own health.
Divine Star - Damage and Healing in a line, think Assize, considerable cooldown.

[Rilifane]

I'll just break down the Holy Priest dps rotation for our friends on here. First thing to note is that Holy Priest is the equivalent of White Mage, a pure healer with fat heals and not much complicated going on. The healbot healer. And yet they have...

Shadow Word: Pain - Generic Single Target Dot (think Dia)
Holy Fire - Single Target Hit + Dot, Dot can be stacked
Holy Word: Chastise - Single Target Hit with a cooldown, also CCs when applicable.
Smite - Generic Single Target filler spell, but each cast reduces the cooldown on Chastise, and has a chance to reset the cooldown on Holy Fire
Shadow Word: Death - Big damage only below 20% enemy health, but hurts you too if it doesn't kill, so you need to be mindful of your own health.
Divine Star - Damage and Healing in a line, think Assize, considerable cooldown.

Just to clarify it further:

Shadow Word: Pain - 16s dot.
Holy Fire - 10s cooldown
Divine Star - 15s cooldown (talent, can also chose Halo which also deals damage on a 40s cooldown)
Shadow Word: Death - 20s cooldown with the lv 46 trait
Holy Word: Chastise - a 60s cooldown
So we have 5 different cooldowns/ durations in addition to the spammable nuke and more frequent damage and higher reliance on GCD healing, meaning even the theoretically aligned cooldowns like Divine Star and Holy Word: Chastise will ineviteably misalign because healing had priority; especially with Star often held for a few more seconds for the healing or SW: D often held for a few seconds until it's safe again.
It's a priority system with 6 buttons and surprisingly, the world hasn't gone up in flames from healers dpsing in a game that needs more healing than FFXIV does.
And you get all that way before max level.

Yes, you occasionally forgot a skill and let it sit for too long. Learning Priests often just uswed SW: P and spammed Smite and gradually incorporated more skills - as everyone does when learning. Start with the basics that give the most bang for your bucks and work your way up.
It's also worth mentioning that the GCD is shorter so for someone that really wants to nail both healing and dpsing at a high level it's pretty busy.

I'd better not even start with things like Rift's Chloromancer or I'll start weeping.

[ASkellington]

I'd better not even start with things like Rift's Chloromancer or I'll start weeping.

Rift's Chloromancer is what SGE should be imo >>

[Sani2341]

Rift's Chloromancer is what SGE should be imo >>

Mind explaining what it does to the rest of the class?

[ASkellington]

Mind explaining what it does to the rest of the class?

Basically an overhaul. In RIFT chloromancer is a healer that heals by doing damage kinda like Disc Priest in the current WoW.

You do have burst healing options, but they're limited and cost high amounts of mana so you can't spam them. Kinda like how HoT healers are punished for not using HoTs if they spam their emergency burst heals.

Essentially what it boils down to is give SGE more abilities like Plegma(sp?), Macrocosmos and Earthly Star from AST, and Assize from WHM. Abilities that simutaenously heal while also doing damage. Kardia makes all of your damaging abilities do such yes, but it is a buff akin to embrace. I'm talking about stand alone skills that do so.

[Rilifane]

Mind explaining what it does to the rest of the class?

Chloromancer had skills that healed while dealing damage, similiar to Assize, but also buffs and debuffs they had to apply for party members to get additional healing.
Think of things like Bloodbath but as an enemy debuff: every time a party member hit the target, they'd get healed. These debuffs as well as buffs that increased the healing taken were tied to dps spells so not dpsing was definitely not an option. DPS and healing kit were firmly tied into each other.
Applying debuffs to the target, buffs to the party and healing were all tied to dpsing in the first place, it didn't function as a "pure healer" because pure heals that didn't require dpsing were limited and expensive.

One thing Sage does have in common with Chloro that it gets stronger if you layer skills properly but not to the extend Chloro did.

I was really hoping for Sage to be like Chloro but really, I should've known better ... of course a "dps healer" would still have to be braindead and 3yo friendly, resulting in not being a dps healer at all. Slap Kardia on something with a tank stance, call it a day in the absolute majority of content.

... now I'm weeping.