What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[aveyond-dreams]

Thrive as what, a visual novel or a Final Fantasy game?

[Oizen]

I could see FFXIV not being profitable enough for Square Enix.
And thats not to say this game isn't successful, this is me saying Square Enix is terrible with money.

[IkaraGreydancer]

This isn't exclusive to Ikara, but I do feel that many people like them simply don't understand this. We aren't complaining just for the sake of complaining. We complain because we care and want the game to continue to do well. I'd like to think that having the game thrive would be beneficial for everyone, but perhaps I'm mistaken or something. Or maybe I'm just not meant to understand what goes on in other peoples' heads.

Yet I never said don't complain. Im saying why repeat the same thing every single day? It'll take time for things to change and some people are overbearing/rude with this stuff. It doesn't matter if you're doing it because you care, it has to be done correctly. Not everyone here is kind when it comes to complaints and it's rare to see folks "white knight" n claim the game is perfect.

To me people are being hyperbolic when they claim the game is going downhill/declining/dying (see the above xiv thriving to be a visual novel bit for example). I'd maybe believe that more if content queues slowed down, logging in was faster, areas weren't full or some data was out showing a playerbase decline (moreso this last one because it's hard evidence with no personal bias).

We all know the game isn't perfect but man...it really does seem you can't claim to be content witj certain aspects of this game without being called a white knight or boot licker. Or worse yet you're labeled as someone who does want the game to thrive (as ridiculous as that notion is).

I doubt any of us want to game to fail. But the community (as I've said before) has turned this into an "us vs them" situation. People think they are superior in how they think and that will only create issues

[LisSquid]

In regards to WoW players joining...I'll let them in on a little secret...

We've been here all along.

Little secret: there's a chat channel on my WoW server to openly post FFlogs and discuss rotations and parsing. Started as a joke ("Yoshi P can't touch me here!") back in WoD, but it's now a resource I find myself using to just fight about correct melds and openers.

The fatigue goes both ways at this point, trust me. And I will admit that I'm not trying to hide it anymore.

I'm a former healer main, which fills in a lot so I don't have to post it, and definitely burned out on even suggesting things. Criticism is met with such vitriol that it feels like people are personally attacked every time you have an opinion besides "This game is flawless and everything is perfect."

[Vahlnir]

Yet I never said don't complain. Im saying why repeat the same thing every single day? It'll take time for things to change and some people are overbearing/rude with this stuff. It doesn't matter if you're doing it because you care, it has to be done correctly. Not everyone here is kind when it comes to complaints and it's rare to see folks "white knight" n claim the game is perfect.

To me people are being hyperbolic when they claim the game is going downhill/declining/dying

A steep decline doesn't happen overnight. Well, unless you try to remove flying from the game like Blizzard did during their Warlords of Draenor expansion. lol What I've been saying is that this could be the start of a decline if we continue settling for mediocre content design. They've seemingly been testing us over the last few years to see how much we will put up with. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it. It's less of a "sky is falling" situation for me. I'm just trying to warn people before the sky actually DOES fall, or perhaps try to convince others that they can stop it from happening if they take a big enough stand. After seeing what happened to WoW, the signs are there for those who choose to see them. Many do not, and that is frustrating. WoW didn't fall in a day. Or even a year. Heck, not even 3. But it added up over time as poor design decisions piled on top of one another, and so the game is in a terrible state today. I don't want that to happen here, but from what I see, it has potentially begun.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yet I never said don't complain. Im saying why repeat the same thing every single day? It'll take time for things to change and some people are overbearing/rude with this stuff. It doesn't matter if you're doing it because you care, it has to be done correctly. Not everyone here is kind when it comes to complaints and it's rare to see folks "white knight" n claim the game is perfect.

To me people are being hyperbolic when they claim the game is going downhill/declining/dying (see the above xiv thriving to be a visual novel bit for example). I'd maybe believe that more if content queues slowed down, logging in was faster, areas weren't full or some data was out showing a playerbase decline (moreso this last one because it's hard evidence with no personal bias).

We all know the game isn't perfect but man...it really does seem you can't claim to be content witj certain aspects of this game without being called a white knight or boot licker. Or worse yet you're labeled as someone who does want the game to thrive (as ridiculous as that notion is).

I doubt any of us want to game to fail. But the community (as I've said before) has turned this into an "us vs them" situation. People think they are superior in how they think and that will only create issues

We’re repeating the same thing every single day because some things haven’t changed in over SIX YEARS. Look at healers. Look how long it took them to fix dark knight, something apparently they weren’t aware about whatsoever. So i would rather see people repeat things and keep it up so the devs can see it than let it be ignored yet again like so many other issues. The way i see people white knight on here is them using the infamous line of “then don’t play the game.” The same way you’re upset people may not let certain people be content with specific aspects, many of us are upset because we can’t critique specific aspects without being told to play another game.

[Vahlnir]

We’re repeating the same thing every single day because some things haven’t changed in over SIX YEARS. Look at healers. Look how long it took them to fix dark knight, something apparently they weren’t aware about whatsoever. So i would rather see people repeat things and keep it up so the devs can see it than let it be ignored yet again like so many other issues. The way i see people white knight on here is them using the infamous line of “then don’t play the game.” The same way you’re upset people may not let certain people be content with specific aspects, many of us are upset because we can’t critique specific aspects without being told to play another game.

[NanaWiloh]

I could see FFXIV not being profitable enough for Square Enix.
And thats not to say this game isn't successful, this is me saying Square Enix is terrible with money.

You just sunk the nail deep into the wood..

[SturmChurro]

Criticism is met with such vitriol that it feels like people are personally attacked every time you have an opinion besides "This game is flawless and everything is perfect."

..them using the infamous line of “then don’t play the game.” The same way you’re upset people may not let certain people be content with specific aspects, many of us are upset because we can’t critique specific aspects without being told to play another game.

It just amuses me how long it took for the tables to turn on here. Everytime I read this stuff lately. I was saying this all years ago!

[Ayer2015]

No, I disagree with this.

He's always polite about how he says it, but I appreciate that he doesn't want me to only play this game and generally respects players time. The mentality you're saying they should have is how you get all sorts of time sinks and time wasters in a game. It leads to a lot of predatory practices nobody wants in this game.

100% agree on this. While I enjoy playing FF14, and other games, I have a life I enjoy living as well. I don't need FF14 to be Lost Ark, thanks.