What is going on with Square Enix and the 14 team?

[IkaraGreydancer]

This isn't exclusive to Ikara, but I do feel that many people like them simply don't understand this. We aren't complaining just for the sake of complaining. We complain because we care and want the game to continue to do well. I'd like to think that having the game thrive would be beneficial for everyone, but perhaps I'm mistaken or something. Or maybe I'm just not meant to understand what goes on in other peoples' heads.

Yet I never said don't complain. Im saying why repeat the same thing every single day? It'll take time for things to change and some people are overbearing/rude with this stuff. It doesn't matter if you're doing it because you care, it has to be done correctly. Not everyone here is kind when it comes to complaints and it's rare to see folks "white knight" n claim the game is perfect.

To me people are being hyperbolic when they claim the game is going downhill/declining/dying (see the above xiv thriving to be a visual novel bit for example). I'd maybe believe that more if content queues slowed down, logging in was faster, areas weren't full or some data was out showing a playerbase decline (moreso this last one because it's hard evidence with no personal bias).

We all know the game isn't perfect but man...it really does seem you can't claim to be content witj certain aspects of this game without being called a white knight or boot licker. Or worse yet you're labeled as someone who does want the game to thrive (as ridiculous as that notion is).

I doubt any of us want to game to fail. But the community (as I've said before) has turned this into an "us vs them" situation. People think they are superior in how they think and that will only create issues

[Vahlnir]

Yet I never said don't complain. Im saying why repeat the same thing every single day? It'll take time for things to change and some people are overbearing/rude with this stuff. It doesn't matter if you're doing it because you care, it has to be done correctly. Not everyone here is kind when it comes to complaints and it's rare to see folks "white knight" n claim the game is perfect.

To me people are being hyperbolic when they claim the game is going downhill/declining/dying

A steep decline doesn't happen overnight. Well, unless you try to remove flying from the game like Blizzard did during their Warlords of Draenor expansion. lol What I've been saying is that this could be the start of a decline if we continue settling for mediocre content design. They've seemingly been testing us over the last few years to see how much we will put up with. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it. It's less of a "sky is falling" situation for me. I'm just trying to warn people before the sky actually DOES fall, or perhaps try to convince others that they can stop it from happening if they take a big enough stand. After seeing what happened to WoW, the signs are there for those who choose to see them. Many do not, and that is frustrating. WoW didn't fall in a day. Or even a year. Heck, not even 3. But it added up over time as poor design decisions piled on top of one another, and so the game is in a terrible state today. I don't want that to happen here, but from what I see, it has potentially begun.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yet I never said don't complain. Im saying why repeat the same thing every single day? It'll take time for things to change and some people are overbearing/rude with this stuff. It doesn't matter if you're doing it because you care, it has to be done correctly. Not everyone here is kind when it comes to complaints and it's rare to see folks "white knight" n claim the game is perfect.

To me people are being hyperbolic when they claim the game is going downhill/declining/dying (see the above xiv thriving to be a visual novel bit for example). I'd maybe believe that more if content queues slowed down, logging in was faster, areas weren't full or some data was out showing a playerbase decline (moreso this last one because it's hard evidence with no personal bias).

We all know the game isn't perfect but man...it really does seem you can't claim to be content witj certain aspects of this game without being called a white knight or boot licker. Or worse yet you're labeled as someone who does want the game to thrive (as ridiculous as that notion is).

I doubt any of us want to game to fail. But the community (as I've said before) has turned this into an "us vs them" situation. People think they are superior in how they think and that will only create issues

We’re repeating the same thing every single day because some things haven’t changed in over SIX YEARS. Look at healers. Look how long it took them to fix dark knight, something apparently they weren’t aware about whatsoever. So i would rather see people repeat things and keep it up so the devs can see it than let it be ignored yet again like so many other issues. The way i see people white knight on here is them using the infamous line of “then don’t play the game.” The same way you’re upset people may not let certain people be content with specific aspects, many of us are upset because we can’t critique specific aspects without being told to play another game.

[Vahlnir]

We’re repeating the same thing every single day because some things haven’t changed in over SIX YEARS. Look at healers. Look how long it took them to fix dark knight, something apparently they weren’t aware about whatsoever. So i would rather see people repeat things and keep it up so the devs can see it than let it be ignored yet again like so many other issues. The way i see people white knight on here is them using the infamous line of “then don’t play the game.” The same way you’re upset people may not let certain people be content with specific aspects, many of us are upset because we can’t critique specific aspects without being told to play another game.

[SturmChurro]

Criticism is met with such vitriol that it feels like people are personally attacked every time you have an opinion besides "This game is flawless and everything is perfect."

..them using the infamous line of “then don’t play the game.” The same way you’re upset people may not let certain people be content with specific aspects, many of us are upset because we can’t critique specific aspects without being told to play another game.

It just amuses me how long it took for the tables to turn on here. Everytime I read this stuff lately. I was saying this all years ago!

[Vahlnir]

It just amuses me how long it took for the tables to turn on here. Everytime I read this stuff lately. I was saying this all years ago!

I woke up to this and suddenly I'm agreeing with people I never thought I'd 100% agree with. It's...surreal.

[SturmChurro]

I woke up to this and suddenly I'm agreeing with people I never thought I'd 100% agree with. Strange times. It's...surreal.

I know you've seen the arguments I've gotten into over the years on here. Just to see people echoing what I was saying, getting a lot of likes, and people in agreement.. that's surreal to me.

To be honest, the influx of new players and an aging old guard have helped. I remember the push back being muuuch worse to criticism, but now you hear more voices joining the chorus. So to speak. The way people used to talk about sprouts who quit during the early MSQ was deplorable. Now people just shrug and go, "Yeah, it's bad."

I have a thread from 2019 talking about the new player experience, and I had to solely defend my view.

[Vahlnir]

Just to see people echoing what I was saying, getting a lot of likes, and people in agreement.. that's surreal to me.

It needed to happen, and it is, so it's a welcome change to say the least.

[LisSquid]

I have a thread from 2019 talking about the new player experience, and I had to solely defend my view.

One of my first threads was about letting new players do Coil. Adding it to the MSQ or making it more easily available. I was flogged about how it was too hard, and no one would ever like it or do it.

Then the great Streamer Event happens and every sprout in sight was joining and making a Coils syncd party.

Also I completely agree with you then and now that the new player experience is bogus.

[LisSquid]

It just amuses me how long it took for the tables to turn on here. Everytime I read this stuff lately. I was saying this all years ago!

To be honest, the influx of new players and an aging old guard have helped. I remember the push back being muuuch worse to criticism, but now you hear more voices joining the chorus. So to speak. The way people used to talk about sprouts who quit during the early MSQ was deplorable. Now people just shrug and go, "Yeah, it's bad."