DPS/Healers pulling in dungeons

[RitsukoSonoda]

Across all anecdotes of non-tanks pulling that I read so far, I've noticed a certain pattern.

I do know that JP DC actually encourages "YPYT" in most of these anecdotes that I read for their reasoning are mostly: "I thought you think you can tank better than I do so I just let you do it."

NA (and maybe EU, too?) DC on the other hand tend to be the exact opposite. YPYT is considered the outlier and would often get shut off pretty quick. If there's even any DPS/Healer pulling ahead, the tank would just pick the mob up then carry on without saying anything.

Looking at the OP's world being in OCE, I think it's because OCE DC mainly consists of players coming from 3 different DCs (for now) which obviously holds different etiquette. I.e. Kujata being the unofficial SEA region world (please correct me if I'm wrong with this one), which should be following the YPYT mentality of JP DC. I imagine when OCE became live, many of those SEA players migrated into new OCE DC, bringing the JP DC etiquette with them. Migrating players from other DC also does the same, and henceforth people are starting to see clashes in etiquette in that new DC.

As always, learn to read the room I guess. Majority will always win, regardless whether it's the pro or anti-YPYT.

It's a difference in culture. Japanese culture generally places a much higher value in manners and etiquette which is where this supposed "debate" lies. The person being rude is essentially left to die. Where as western culture has a heavier tendency towards the excuse and a belief that everyone else has to make accommodations for what they personally want which is how threads like this end up getting made.

[Saraide]

Receive it how you want. Couldn't care less.

If you want to act like a jackass on my tank run, you'll have plenty of time to ponder if I'm on a "powertrip" when you are dead on the floor.

And I'll remind you regardless of your many thought experiments or analysis of my mental state, you fucked up.

No need to ponder if you are or arent on a powertrip, you're just telling everyone that you are. Unfortunate how inconsiderate some people are in here of the time of other people.

[KariTheFox]

Receive it how you want. Couldn't care less.

If you want to act like a jackass on my tank run, you'll have plenty of time to ponder if I'm on a "powertrip" when you are dead on the floor.

And I'll remind you regardless of your many thought experiments or analysis of my mental state, you fucked up.

Can't say I get it. It takes more effort to turn off stance and start sandbagging than it does to just run in and pull mobs off of people. And for what, because a dps dared to pull something before you decided it was time?

Anyway, I find it the funniest when tanks take this attitude and then get to watch impotently while a competent healer and dps clear a pack without them.

[Padudu]

Get that shit out of here.

When I tank, I watch where everyone is. If everyone's working at breakneck speed, sure, I'll sprint, gap close, pick up everything anyone pulls. Go nuts.

However, if healer's running slow at the back or isn't keeping up. Or if you don't know the layout well enough and are just pulling unnecessary shit, or etc etc. I will let you die.

It quite simply boils down to "don't be a jackass" (tanks included) and work with the general pace of the group. Don't see how this is so contentious.

This is a small pp tank mindset no one needs lol. Don't let people die and just do your best. If you wipe you wipe. It's really not that hard

[Saraide]

Can't say I get it. It takes more effort to turn off stand and start sandbagging than it does to just run in and pull mobs off of people. And for what, because a dps dared to pull something before you decided it was time?

Anyway, I find it the funniest when tanks take this attitude and then get to watch impotently while a competent healer and dps clear a pack without them.

That's always the funniest part. Some people are under the impression that we tanks are necessary but the reality is that we arent. I personally am a tank who wants to pull every mob myself. So I just activate sprint and it has been ages that someone actually got in front of me. I'm honestly impressed by people who do.

[Hawuhawuu]

The group can last a while without a tank. If the tank is slower they just want to do something instead of standing around. Its not bm its that they wont die to it anyway so why wait.

[Imoen]

DPS and Healers shouldn't be pulling ahead of the tank, with that said you shouldn't make a stink about it. If people die as a result of said pulling, that's on them. Communication goes a long way honestly, and context matters. If a particular person is trying to force you to go faster than you are comfortable with, say something politely, if it continues and it's really bothering you, politely announce it's not working and leave. Simple as that really. If you're comfortable with it and it's just annoying you, you could say something about it politely, but simply try to be the best tank you can be or again... leave if it's really bothering you or if someone starts giving you crap, it isn't worth it.

Any person not playing their job intentionally as a result of not being able to control their emotional faculties is just making themselves look like an ass. Don't be that person. No one, and I mean absolutely no one gives a crap, in the slightest, about a 'holier than thou' Tank, Healer or DPS, you aren't special, you didn't "Show them" anything other than you are an emotional wreck incapable of controlling your temper and expressing yourself properly. There are plenty of groups to join without those types of poor attitudes. So if it becomes an issue, say something, if saying something doesn't work, leave and everyone moves on with their lives.

[Tracewood]

If I tank, it's only annoying if a tryhard sprints ahead. If it's like 1-2 feet from me it's understandable. What gets me is someone pulls an enemy wondering and I have go to them to get aggro, instead of them running to my mob pack.

[Saraide]

If I tank, it's only annoying if a tryhard sprints ahead. If it's like 1-2 feet from me it's understandable. What gets me is someone pulls an enemy wondering and I have go to them to get aggro, instead of them running to my mob pack.

Yea people like that are dumb, like why wouldnt you bring any mob aggro you get into the tank aoes? It makes no sense to not stack up with the tank.

[Cubsbane]

My favourite run of Sastasha ever was when I was tanking and the party decided to spontaneously work as a team. Ranged pulled mobs over from one end, other DPS opened the door and brought the other guy over to me, healer kept us alive as I AOE'd them all. It really brightened up a normally dull dungeon.

And while communication is nice, preferred even, I don't really mind being rescued forward, whether it's to make me zoom or to say "I can heal more". If my judgment was correct and it turns out they can't heal more... so what? We wipe. Oh well. Small time loss. Video games.

In general it's just not a big deal.

(Also if you're a WAR and have bloodwhetting, what on earth are you doing single-pulling. Come on.)