Moving will be made to interrupt spellcasting at a point in time...

[Yelta_Sumasu]

I still maintain that a preferred fix may be to allow the casting of the spell while moving but either increasing cast time or lower the spells effectiveness if you are moving.

[Frisque]

"I would recommend either using some form of crowd control before inputting a combo or balancing hate (to reduce monster movement) before inputting a combo. I also feel that it is a test of player skills to try to read the movement of the opponent and input a combo without using crowd control."

Anybody else thinks this is ridiculous? If you do an action DURING your combo, it breaks your combo, and what CC are you speaking of SE? Stun?! Yeah, cause everyone has 20 stun abilities. I'm sorry, but if on my screen I am behind the monster, then I am behind the monster. This isn't a test of player's skill, this is just showing the incapability of this game's server.

If you don't want us to criticize, then don't change things based on YOUR opinion on how it should be. Why fix casting when it wasn't an issue? You can't even cast instant spells while moving anymore. Pointless system is pointless and should be removed. This change will make BLM and WHM always killed ASAP because by the time sleep is done casting, you will be killed. By the time you stop to use thundara to stun, the target will be on your face and probably, with how ridiculous this system seems to be, interrupt your instant cast spells with a hit.

Yes, I am mad about this system. It is like removing the wheels of a bike and saying you "improved" it as a transportation vehicle.

Totally agree. And dont even get me started about how PO'd I am that the driving force behind all of this was to balance the optional pvp...

[ApplePie]

It wasn't fixed. It was changed, and the reasons were already explained in a different thread.
How about casting blizzara and sanguine rite before sleep? -_-
Again, it was changed, not fixed. Just because you can't do things that you were able to before doesn't mean it's a bad system. Just relax.

Okay, explain that to my thundara or any spell with presence of mind active. I'm not talking about a BLM using combo. I'm talking about a dragoon. I play BLM enough to know these things, but his obvious ignorance of anything besides what is in the dev team is ridiculous. This is a bad system. You can defend it all you want. I want to see DoW stop to attack each time. How many times must we reinvent the wheel in this game? Did anybody even complain about being able to cast and move?

PVP isn't even going to be in the game until 2.0, if it is even there with 2.0's release. This is a pointless, dated mechanic.

[Eldaena]

its like that in pretty much every mmo available, but also I dont think you can discount TP where as a mage starts with full mp and a melee starts with 0 tp but honestly you are talking about a half a second delay. If mages where able to cast while moving then they would be able to kite everything to death without worry of getting hit. Now do you think that is fair especially in a PvP setting?

But if we could cast while moving there is still a delay because of casting time of spells. If you want to get into specifics for pvp, most melee have a lot more hp than mages, so even if we could cast and move, we'd run out of mp, they'd still have hp, and would be able to catch up with us since we'd need to stop moving to regain mp. Then melee would beat the crap out of the mage. lol If a mage would try to cast while getting attacked, the spells would most likely just get cancelled, so on and so forth.

Anyway, pvp isn't in the game now and the restrictions for mages hurts everyone. Melee that use spells and how well the mages are able to help out the melee in combat. Not to mention it's not the ideal implementation since there are still big server issues that need addressed. Even if it's similar to this in other MMOs, how does that make it okay for this one? I thought we played FFXIV because it was different? That doesn't seem a valid reason for the change anyway you look at it. This is pure pvp reason for the change even if people will disagree with that.

[Nikita]

From my own perspective, I don't even see why people are complaining about spellcasting being interrupted by movement. I have been doing dungeons on WHM and BLM and have had literally no issues at with this new mechanic. Maybe everyone here is new to the MMO genre and is not used to this basic mechanic? After I stop moving, there is at most a half second to not even an entire second delay before I can start casting. That is plenty of time to shoot off my heals/nukes.

I browse these forums regularly and I see so much FFXIV pride, everyone saying how much better FFXIV is than any other game and how FFXIV players are so superior to the players of other MMOs yet there seems to be so many people on these forums that can't cope with mechanics that entirely basic to most of these other games that they feel they are above playing and associating with.

[darkstarpoet1]

From my own perspective, I don't even see why people are complaining about spellcasting being interrupted by movement. I have been doing dungeons on WHM and BLM and have had literally no issues at with this new mechanic. Maybe everyone here is new to the MMO genre and is not used to this basic mechanic? After I stop moving, there is at most a half second to not even an entire second delay before I can start casting. That is plenty of time to shoot off my heals/nukes.

I browse these forums regularly and I see so much FFXIV pride, everyone saying how much better FFXIV is than any other game and how FFXIV players are so superior to the players of other MMOs yet there seems to be so many people on these forums that can't cope with mechanics that entirely basic to most of these other games that they feel they are above playing and associating with.

no, not new to the genre, but the implementation is pretty bad.

like has been posted before if they had simply made it to when you started a spell it stopped and faced the target for controller users you would see alot less complaints. i do not like the change because it is glitchy and is a step backwards to controller users.

i guess i could go and break the tos and get a program that allows me to map a button on my controller for this horrid mechanic, but the point is it shouldn't be needed. using a work around such as a third party program or having to use macro's to work around bad design doesn't make the design any better.

[Shiggysonson]

Okay, explain that to my thundara or any spell with presence of mind active. I'm not talking about a BLM using combo. I'm talking about a dragoon. I play BLM enough to know these things, but his obvious ignorance of anything besides what is in the dev team is ridiculous. This is a bad system. You can defend it all you want. I want to see DoW stop to attack each time. How many times must we reinvent the wheel in this game? Did anybody even complain about being able to cast and move?

PVP isn't even going to be in the game until 2.0, if it is even there with 2.0's release. This is a pointless, dated mechanic.

I was replying to your 2nd paragraph about sleeping something that is running towards you. I wasn't talking aboutthe combo part. Sorry if that was confusing lol.

[Khal_Drogo]

"Moving will be made to interrupt spellcasting at a point in time between patch 1.20 and 1.21."... http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post476417

Do not like, nor want...

The only reason I'm SORT OF for this idea is this:

If moving is going to interrupt spells, then these ridiculous 3.5 sec fights will have to be abolished completely; otherwise, there is no chance of an exp party being able to effectively roam (which is the only way to exp efficiently atm).

So, introducing this feature may mean that Yoshi-P is planning to make battle a much longer, more engaging, and more enjoyable experience (finally some time to savor our abilities/spells/weapon skills) -instead of this, as Reaujien stated so eloquently:


Golden Corral= XIV

Fine Dining= Ideal Battle

Hmmmm, let me know if I understood your analogies...

Golden Corral (which we don't have in MN - It's OCB!!!) relates to FFXIV in that you just need to LOL-SPAM-WS-YAY-LOOKIT-ME! as aimlessly as possible in an attempt to kill as many mobs as you can so you can get from lvl 40 to 50 in 1-2 hours...

Fine Dining - you want to enjoy the battle and all of it's "savory" skills required to use in order to achieve "fullness" by killing the mob even though it's... just ONE meal (mob).

Yeah, I definitely prefer fine dining - especially because I'm usually with a group of friends (i.e., party in FFXIV) and enjoy there company just as much.

Reference:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-do-you-prefer

[Khal_Drogo]

...This is a bad system. You can defend it all you want. I want to see DoW stop to attack each time. How many times must we reinvent the wheel in this game? Did anybody even complain about being able to cast and move?...

lol DoW stopping to attack doesn't even make sense from a "realistic perspective."


Just think about what it would be like, to see what you're proposing, in "real life." Theoretically, it's an incantation or chant of some kind that allows players to use magic (at least, from a traditional standpoint). Have you ever read about or seen a wizard/witch/sorcerer, or w/e, running or moving around (physically, not on a "mount" of some type), while reciting their incantations? No, cuz it would look ridiculous lol

The same is true of an Archer...How many of them do you see running and shooting at the same time? -not often (and if so, it just looks a little too extraordinary for my taste). However, virtually every scene we've ever come across with gladiators, warriors, [dark] knights, etc. ALWAYS have them running about skewering enemies with their swords/spears, and so on.

It makes a lot of sense; and it would be much more viable system if they embraced a battle style similar to "that of which we do not speak."

[Reaujien]

Actually you can.


Edit: At least with Blizzara - I was using it last night in the BLM fight. Not sure about Thundara but I'll have to try that out.

Just tested - with subtargets ON you can hit your instant-cast offensive spells to bring up the subtarget but you can execute it after that while moving. However, if you have subtargets OFF you can use all any instant-cast spell while moving. Macros with <t> works regardless, as well as instant cast buffs.