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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    And how in the everliving hell are they supposed to know that you're a living breathing thinking "person" when you cannot even talk and look like a a miniature joke familiar resembling their prankster friend. After you get a big load of Emet's aether I'm pretty sure they stop referring to you as an it. Plus they never called Meteion an it either who is the closest to a "person", as far as I recall. As for the latter, it could be as simple as how you need a hunting license nowadays to hunt, so you cannot just "take" without permission.
    Why are you arguing with me as if I'm the one who wrote the damn story?

    My point was that, in writing, when an author wants to make a character seem dismissive of another life form, they will call them an "it". For example, in Terminator 2, there's an entire argument John (who sees the robot as a friend) and his mother (who does not) have over calling the machine "he" or "it". In Silence of the Lambs, Buffalo Bill constantly refers to the victims (who are human women) as "it" until the moment he kills them. Again, my point is that it's a common narrative trope to have characters refer to some form of life they do not respect as an "it".

    I am not here to debate whether or not the Ancients were correct or right to refer to the WOL as an "it" when they first meet. I'm merely describing it as one of many ways in which the plot attempts to show the dismissive attitude that Ancients have for other species. This is one example, but the entire Elpis saga is full of other examples of the same thing. I fail to see how this is even worthy of debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto View Post
    I see. Yeah, I suppose that's an interesting analysis about how they could be seen as morally grey. Why is fulfilling one's purpose and returning to the star perceived as morally grey
    I mean, it's literally the entire point of Endwalker.

    What the Ancients were doing was dying, and the expansion's narrative theme was how precious it was to keep living, no matter what. The entire basis of that story thread was that the Ancients saw death (for themselves, but especially for non-Ancients) as no big deal, and Hermes (and later Venat) are the only ones who saw this attitude as a problem.

    Once again, I am not agreeing with the story's morality, but that's what it is.
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    Last edited by CrownySuccubus; 03-29-2022 at 08:43 AM.