What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

If you guys think that public outrage is unique to, or even that bad on, Twitter, then let me tell y'all about the Red Scare, the War on Drugs and the Cult of Domesticity.

It's not unique to social media, though the world is a big place and not everybody is interested in entertaining the demands of those who ordinarily would never even interact with them in any way, shape or form if not for the presence of social media.

[Tarrinus]

For me Endwalker made Emet-Selch go from morally grey to morally good. I have nothing against Venat as a character but I don't understand why the writers expect me to think she's a hero. Her situation is not like a general begrudgingly sending his fellow soldiers to their death. It's more like a commissar sentencing entire populations to gulags because of a difference of opinion.

[Ixon]

And do be sure to pay no mind to the egi that may or may not die in the process.

Care to join me in Frontlines where we slaughter our allies and countrymen for fun? XD

[CrownySuccubus]

I mean, sure, it's definitely a possibility. How's Hermes to know that information though? That dude is just another scientist. Emet and Hythlodaeus are already familiar with Elpis so it's not too hard to imagine that they became desensitized to these sort of things. Are the guys sacrificing non-Ancient lifeforms truly morally gray though? I'd do the same if it meant saving the entire civilization.

Again, I'm saying that the story presents as morally-grey. Like I said about the butterflies, it comes across as weird that our WOL is stated to be "shocked" by their callous attitude towards death. And this comes up again when they are explaining to the WOL about the concept of returning to the star. Hyth and Emet treat it like it's no big deal, Hermes becomes depressed about it, and Venat dodges the question when one of her fellow Ancients asks about when she'll finally do it, and then tells you that she probably never will. We're also told that returning to the star when one's purpose is fulfilled is seen as normal by the Ancients, and a choice to be celebrated. They said this applies to their society as a whole, not just scientists.

It's not unique to social media, though the world is a big place and not everybody is interested in entertaining the demands of those who ordinarily would never even interact with them in any way, shape or form if not for the presence of social media.

People have always cared about the scrutiny of other people, even if they never met them. As I stated, the fact that things such as the Cult of Domesticity, the Victorian Age moral system and other things exist demonstrates that people don't need to directly interact with other people to form opinions.

Also, Hermes wasn't always a scientist. Ancients clearly have children and live in more residential areas.

[aveyond-dreams]

The twitter fandom is not even that hard to please. Oh no, the cute catboy's storyline has reached a satisfactory conclusion and no longer bears relevance to the plot. The solution is to, idk, make a new character? G'raha Tia would become yesterday's news in a day, same for Y'shtola, if they only bothered to introduce new main cast members and let those who have reached the peak of their growth go off and do something else.

[Lauront]

Care to join me in Frontlines where we slaughter our allies and countrymen for fun? XD

Already had my fill of that today... I think by the 5th or 6th time of telling people to open their maps and that, no, tunnel visioning the team that's 300 points behind isn't really a good idea when the other one is 200 ahead of us... today was another episode of the dead ends of FL.

[Skyborne]

For me Endwalker made Emet-Selch go from morally grey to morally good. I have nothing against Venat as a character but I don't understand why the writers expect me to think she's a hero. Her situation is not like a general begrudgingly sending his fellow soldiers to their death. It's more like a commissar sentencing entire populations to gulags because of a difference of opinion.

His motivations were so sympathetic that they had to pull mindwipes and time loops to make him retroactively 'wrong'... and even then, the motive still remains sympathetic, and he comes across as even more tragic because he took a mindwipe beam to the face. For us, and our future. Especially when you compare him to the hilariously awful peas in a pod, Hermes and Venat, who killed trillions for what is essentially a lofty philosophical pissing contest. Meanwhile, he just wanted his friends and family back, even if he also had to kill billions.

[HollowedDoll]

In narrative, calling a breathing, thinking person an "it" is typically a denial of personhood. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...IsDehumanizing This, combined with the fact that the story specifically calls out several times how most Ancients disregard the lives of concepts and familiars demonstrates that their disregard of species other than their own wasn't unique to the future Ascians. Ancient society thought that way from the start.

And as I said, I'm not the person who pointed out the Ancients turning butterflies into clothes. You are specifically told the WOL was shocked by it, and Hytholodeus has to explain to your PC why it's okay because they don't really consider concepts living things. If the story had never brought it up, I wouldn't have cared. But they specifically brought it up to demonstrate how the Ancients think.

And how in the everliving hell are they supposed to know that you're a living breathing thinking "person" when you cannot even talk and look like a a miniature joke familiar resembling their prankster friend. After you get a big load of Emet's aether I'm pretty sure they stop referring to you as an it. Plus they never called Meteion an it either who is the closest to a "person", as far as I recall. As for the latter, it could be as simple as how you need a hunting license nowadays to hunt, so you cannot just "take" without permission.

[Ixon]

Already had my fill of that today... I think by the 5th or 6th time of telling people to open their maps and that, no, tunnel visioning the team that's 300 points behind isn't really a good idea when the other one is 200 ahead of us... today was another episode of the dead ends of FL.

Well, just like the Dead Ends it's a lot easier with summoned help to share the despair with. you can even sacrifice them just the same so you can move forward.

[kpxmanifesto]

Again, I'm saying that the story presents as morally-grey...We're also told that returning to the star when one's purpose is fulfilled is seen as normal by the Ancients, and a choice to be celebrated. They said this applies to their society as a whole, not just scientists.

I see. Yeah, I suppose that's an interesting analysis about how they could be seen as morally grey. Why is fulfilling one's purpose and returning to the star perceived as morally grey?