Looking back at this Yoshi P statement(story spoilers)

[Skyborne]

Does anyone actually think Emet and Hyth won't be coming back during the next saga one way or another? Please, they are way too big to discard. I'll be surprised if the writers manage to keep themselves from even referencing them in any way whatsoever in the expansions to come.

As much as I like them, it'd feel rather disappointing to me along the lines of the Thancred and Shtola stuff in ShB. I'd like to think the Lord of the Underworld and his friend are busy tidying up the big influx of souls in the Lifestream while waiting for us to join them in their 'well-deserved rest' after 12k years. Now, if some of the neglected sundered Ascians showed up...

[kpxmanifesto]

I think the fact that you’re stuck on the dead antagonist and keep asking for something bad happen to the main characters tells me everything I need to know.

Really? I'm curious. What exactly does it tell you?

[MikkoAkure]

Really? I'm curious. What exactly does it tell you?

The whole point of the original post about being upset that nothing happened to the main characters and people being upset about fake-out deaths but it's 100% OK and expected if it's Emet.

[Theodric]

The whole point of the original post about being upset that nothing happened to the main characters and people being upset about fake-out deaths but it's 100% OK and expected if it's Emet.

I believe the point being raised is that there's a big difference between someone like Haurchefant coming back to life and a character intimately familiar with the workings of the underworld coming back.

It's a lot like how a necromancer might be fought and killed in their mortal form in a game and die...but then later come back as a lich. For many, such a trajectory isn't a huge stretch.

[Rulakir]

I didn't want the Emet of our timeline to survive and join us. As he said, we fought because we desired different things. I just wanted Elpis to diverge into an alternate timeline, one we never had to see but would've been enough to know we'd saved the Ancients as a whole (not just him). Having never done the Alexander raids, my only experience with time travel in the game was AU in the ShB MSQ. Needless to say, EW being a loop was both confusing and unexpected.

The issue with the Scions is that with minor exceptions they incur nothing in the way of cost while the opposition is obliterated. Gaius and Fordola are the only antagonists I know of that have survived opposing the WoL. This is even addressed in the level 60-70 DRK quest chain: "Woe betide the man who stands opposed to the Weapon of Light, for death will be his reward. Death for him and his kin and all that he holds dear."

What I want is for the game to not be so horribly one-sided, especially given themes of war and world-ending threats. As I've said, it's good that they're moving away from these themes because they've lacked the conviction since HW to write a compelling tale where the heroes suffer even a fraction of what the villains do.

[MikkoAkure]

I believe the point being raised is that there's a big difference between someone like Haurchefant coming back to life and a character intimately familiar with the workings of the underworld coming back.

It's a lot like how a necromancer might be fought and killed in their mortal form in a game and die...but then later come back as a lich. For many, such a trajectory isn't a huge stretch.

And my point is that there was no point in the narrative for him to come back as a living character. As I said before, he comes back already in a form in order to help us kill the last remaining unsundered Ascian and spoil the plan he himself was a part of for 12,000 years. All that after he accepted his loss against us in our final battle. His character is at peace with both his personal and his greater loss.

I'm looking at the story and the medium it's told in as a whole and not what characters can and can't do in-universe. If Emet did have the power to return to life, and he probably does, why would he want to and what would he even do in the story? Is there a specific plot-reason for you to want him to come back or is it just because you like him? As for any future appearances, he already says that he's not coming back any time soon. What's the point of having him say goodbye multiple times in the story and have him specifically say he's not coming back if they make him come back?

There's also the fact that all his clones are dead, and he already established that he can't make a body from nothing. Otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned possessing a random person on the First and twisting their body into a form he's comfortable with. He would have to do that all over again and that doesn't really make for a sympathetic character.

[TaleraRistain]

Does anyone actually think Emet and Hyth won't be coming back during the next saga one way or another? Please, they are way too big to discard. I'll be surprised if the writers manage to keep themselves from even referencing them in any way whatsoever in the expansions to come.

References, Echo flashbacks of some sort, or possibly even further time travel are all possible. I think it was Hyth that mentioned the curtain rising with players in new roles as well. But I would hope they've earned a bit of a rest after 12k years.

The issue with the Scions is that with minor exceptions they incur nothing in the way of cost while the opposition is obliterated. Gaius and Fordola are the only antagonists I know of that have survived opposing the WoL.

Lahabrea, Yotsuyu, and Zenos survived encounters with us. We didn't have a hand in Lahabrea's eventual end. He was sucked into the Eye in Thordan's sword.

[KizuyaKatogami]

And my point is that there was no point in the narrative for him to come back as a living character. As I said before, he comes back already in a form in order to help us kill the last remaining unsundered Ascian and spoil the plan he himself was a part of for 12,000 years. All that after he accepted his loss against us in our final battle. His character is at peace with both his personal and his greater loss.

I'm looking at the story and the medium it's told in as a whole and not what characters can and can't do in-universe. If Emet did have the power to return to life, and he probably does, why would he want to and what would he even do in the story? Is there a specific plot-reason for you to want him to come back or is it just because you like him? As for any future appearances, he already says that he's not coming back any time soon. What's the point of having him say goodbye multiple times in the story and have him specifically say he's not coming back if they make him come back?

There's also the fact that all his clones are dead, and he already established that he can't make a body from nothing. Otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned possessing a random person on the First and twisting their body into a form he's comfortable with. He would have to do that all over again and that doesn't really make for a sympathetic character.

Whats the point in the narrative for the scions to come back after UT? The arc is over. Of course, the writers will now give them a new purpose, but at that point they had all achieved their purposes and goals, and were willing to die to save the world. Even Yshtola tells us not to bring them back, she was at peace with her eventaul decision, so why bring them back?Whats the point of having Yshtola tell us not to bring them back just to bring her back? Whats the poing of having the twins sacrifice themselves and have their long speech only for literally 5 mins or less later they come back?

[Iscah]

Even Yshtola tells us not to bring them back, she was at peace with her eventaul decision, so why bring them back?Whats the point of having Yshtola tell us not to bring them back just to bring her back?

Because her warning is a practical one rather than an emotional one. "Don't get any ideas about summoning us back or you'll be left floating in space without any solid ground or oxygen."

Once we resolve that issue, it's safe to bring them back. But we have to reach that point first, so their survival hinges on our success.

It's true that they are prepared to die to give us this chance to succeed, because there is no other way to save everyone on Etheirys, but that doesn't mean they want to be left dead when there is a way to bring them back. Nor should we (or at least our character) want to leave them dead.

[MikkoAkure]

Whats the point in the narrative for the scions to come back after UT? The arc is over. Of course, the writers will now give them a new purpose, but at that point they had all achieved their purposes and goals, and were willing to die to save the world. Even Yshtola tells us not to bring them back, she was at peace with her eventaul decision, so why bring them back?Whats the point of having Yshtola tell us not to bring them back just to bring her back? Whats the poing of having the twins sacrifice themselves and have their long speech only for literally 5 mins or less later they come back?

Evidently they have plans or else it would have ended with the characters dying. 6.1 hasn't happened yet, we'll find out then.

But anyone who went into UT thinking that the characters were going to die there one-by-one hasn't been paying attention. We were already told they weren't dead and were giving us the environment and paths forward. They also gave us a tool that returns everyone to the ship that tracked their aether and made sure to mention it multiple times, which is the original way I thought we were all going to come back. We were given the means to save them and had no need for UT after we were done, why would we just leave them there? And there's the fact that no expansion ends with killing off any off the main characters and I strongly doubted they had it in them to do it there. Did you seriously think that these developers would have ended the whole game's original arc with all of the main characters dead except for the WoL and ending on the note "well at least we saved the world"?

As for the twins' speech, it was the culmination of 10 years worth of character growth since both of them grew more than any other character.