Another housing delay, imagine that.

[Nekokaori]

I suspect that when housing was initially implemented, population was not a problem. SE probably thought that like with XI, XIV would be niche to the Asia and SEA regions.
So, housing was engineered via code to be wards that could simply be added and subtracted.

I suspect the only reason they didn't make apartments with a patio for gardening and the same size as a small house is because then people with small houses would feel cheated.

Having a house is not an achievement. A small house costs 3.75M which these days is nothing to majority of players.
It's not an achievement to be RNG picked for a house.
It's not an achievement to click for 10 hours straight on a placard (which I did, and in the end I felt nothing but emptiness and sadness for the others who were clicking with me)



I just want to point out that it can take years, if not several years, to recover from natural disasters.
Things like Hurricane Katrina took the city years to rebuild and its residents even longer.
What is taking place is not a natural disaster.
And FFXIV only stops demolition for several months at most.

if se ever thought that they are complete morons, look i preorder arr and was there on an account when it first came out population would have bought them all up in fact there were fcs attacking ppl for getting mansions for single ppl at the time. The issue was gill back then was way harder to get...

Also no way would they believe that consinder how popular ff has been globally since well tbh ff6 . the only reason why ffxi wasnt as popular was by the time many ppl knew it existed it was on pc only (it was on ps2 at one time but most ppl were not aware of it) many ppl didnt have internet at home back then either and had to leave home for it... Plus the fact its on pc only after ps2 is total bs ...

third: cant rlly blame op they had the chance to play it smart and add 4-5x more than the population of a server at the time (which is what any smart devolper would do) to future proof for growth forth: they havent expanded or even done anything to apartments what so ever to make it honestly a reasonable solution for people like Op... SO honestly its SE own fault for not doing both those steps. You never subtract from something when u plan on expanding and adding to the game through expansions that is just a stupid move.

[VerdeLuck]

I suspect that when housing was initially implemented, population was not a problem.

You can check the housing section of the forums, there's a post still at the top by Yoshi P from 2014 about there being a shortage of plots and they were looking for a solution at that time.
That was 8 years ago and despite some bandaid fixes, there hasn't been much to really change the situation.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I suspect that when housing was initially implemented, population was not a problem. SE probably thought that like with XI, XIV would be niche to the Asia and SEA regions.
So, housing was engineered via code to be wards that could simply be added and subtracted.

I suspect the only reason they didn't make apartments with a patio for gardening and the same size as a small house is because then people with small houses would feel cheated.

Having a house is not an achievement. A small house costs 3.75M which these days is nothing to majority of players.
It's not an achievement to be RNG picked for a house.
It's not an achievement to click for 10 hours straight on a placard (which I did, and in the end I felt nothing but emptiness and sadness for the others who were clicking with me)



I just want to point out that it can take years, if not several years, to recover from natural disasters.
Things like Hurricane Katrina took the city years to rebuild and its residents even longer.
What is taking place is not a natural disaster.
And FFXIV only stops demolition for several months at most.

When housing was first implemented, ifmt was FC only. Most wards were empty. Originally they were going to have separate housing system for individuals, but with wards being so empty they just used that for personal as well.

[VirusOnline]

if se ever thought that they are complete morons, look i preorder arr and was there on an account when it first came out population would have bought them all up in fact there were fcs attacking ppl for getting mansions for single ppl at the time. The issue was gill back then was way harder to get...

Yep, it was harder back then and the price of houses if I remember were in the hundreds of millions if not dozens of millions ?

Also no way would they believe that consinder how popular ff has been globally since well tbh ff6 . the only reason why ffxi wasnt as popular was by the time many ppl knew it existed it was on pc only (it was on ps2 at one time but most ppl were not aware of it) many ppl didnt have internet at home back then either and had to leave home for it... Plus the fact its on pc only after ps2 is total bs ...

In terms of MMOs, eh. WoW was still king in the west until this past year.
Since 2015, the population of XIV was around ~350k active player globally and today it has now more than 5x that amount of active players in 2022.
Since 2017 or so that is when population really started ramping up hard.

third: cant rlly blame op they had the chance to play it smart and add 4-5x more than the population of a server at the time (which is what any smart devolper would do) to future proof for growth forth: they havent expanded or even done anything to apartments what so ever to make it honestly a reasonable solution for people like Op... SO honestly its SE own fault for not doing both those steps. You never subtract from something when u plan on expanding and adding to the game through expansions that is just a stupid move.

Agreed, but in terms of engineering and modularity, they made a big mistake and it seems they don't care to redesign it.

You can check the housing section of the forums, there's a post still at the top by Yoshi P from 2014 about there being a shortage of plots and they were looking for a solution at that time.
That was 8 years ago and despite some bandaid fixes, there hasn't been much to really change the situation.

Interesting.
Sigh, to me this suggests they didn't care to redevelop the pre-existing foundation even as they knew their population was booming.

[Anvaire]

Yep, it was harder back then and the price of houses if I remember were in the hundreds of millions if not dozens of millions ?

Nope the prices are still the same as now with the only exception being legacy servers which had higher purchase costs. The difference is that 4m gill back then was a lot unless you were an omnicrafter. While now its short change.

[Dzian]

Also no way would they believe that consinder how popular ff has been globally since well tbh ff6 . the only reason why ffxi wasnt as popular was by the time many ppl knew it existed it was on pc only (it was on ps2 at one time but most ppl were not aware of it) many ppl didnt have internet at home back then either and had to leave home for it... Plus the fact its on pc only after ps2 is total bs .

FFXI in many ways beatthe hell out f XIV for a long time. XI had an active playerbase of consistantly over 500k for many years. a figure that XIV has struggled to match until recently.

XI has no hype. no billion dollar celebrity ad camapaigns no BS. it was a final fantasy MMO for final fantasy fans... FFXIV tries to hard to be an MMO for everyone and ends up being an MMO for noone really. which is why it struggles to retain players or keep players interested. Yoshi passed a comment back around shadow bringers release that said something along the lines of if the franchise is to survive it needs to move away from the main stream audience and go back to its fans.. which is basically the direction they're heading with 16..

as for housing though it was intended to be a community thing something you and your friends would work together to build as a free company and help to grow bonds between players and foster a sense of togetherness..

it failed because everything about the game is totally contrary to that. so many systems push players apart rather than pull them together...

the inability to send tells while in an instance...
the inability to do the msq as a group.... "you cannot progress this quest because you are in a party"
the inabilty to include everyone in any content.. strict party sizes of 4 or 8 meant people often got left out
the total lack of FC orientated content.. remember the summons fcs were going to be able to use that would change the sky and everything.
company voyages and workshops being essentially rubbish. 1 crafter presses some buttons the other 3 just sit there.... super engaging /sarcasm
the wards were meant to be neighbourhoods but theres nothing there... no tomestone vendors no script exchanges nothing of any use which is why everyone always gathers in places like eulmore or iddylshire...
the list goes on...

what all of these things did was destroy communities and groups of players and turned everyone from being group centric into self centric players and as a result FCs have become nothing more than a glorified chat channel. and this has had a knock on effect accross the whole game. its why many plpayers who would be interested in savages or whatever find they cant do it. becasue building a group and keeping a group together is just too much hassle.. you finally clear a tier.. come back next week and find half your team has bailed and joined other teams to smash the next tier already...

All of that is the problem with housing...
if the game tried to brings players together instead of drive them apart they'd be plenty of accomodation for everyone

[VerdeLuck]

FFXIV tries to hard to be an MMO for everyone and ends up being an MMO for noone really. which is why it struggles to retain players or keep players interested.

FFXIV has more than 500k players and is incredibly popular, I don't know where you're getting any of this information from.

[Dzian]

FFXIV has more than 500k players and is incredibly popular, I don't know where you're getting any of this information from.

Recently yes but for a long time nope.

many of the census sweeps for a very long time put the active player base to be bouncing around 300-350k

yes its higher now. buts that why i said "until recently"

[Artemiz]

The entitlement and lack of empathy of some people is staggering it really is. By invoking the situation in Ukraine the OP has given the green light to compare the housing crisis ingame to the "housing crisis" in Ukraine. So, lets go.

The doomsday clock has just shifted forward dramtically and is now almost certainly sat at 2 minutes to midnight
A crazy Autocrat has decended into madness and decided to commit a daily barrage of warcrimes against a peaceful civilian population.
Nuclear war has suddenly gone from "will never happen" to "I'm going to have to check the news every morning in case captain crazy did anything stupid overnight"
NATO is trying desperately to avoid a hot war with Russia, which will quickly forward those extra 2 minutes on the doomsday clock.
The greatest refugee crisis since WW2 is currently underway in the heart of Europe as women, children and the elderly desperately flee indicriminate artillery barrages.
The infrastructure of Ukraine (including housing, ironically) is currently being raised to the ground at an alarming rate.
The mostly innocent citizens of Russia are currently under the most severe economic sanctions ever imposed in the history of mankind, and the rammifications of this will last for decades or more.
The rest of the world, having weakened it's economy significantly during covid, is now reeling from this conflict and the living costs of everyone are sky rocketing, especially for "luxuries" like heating, food, power and fuel.


Your argument, even though you understand all of the above, is that it's no excuse for you not getting your shiny pixels in a video game.

Not gonna lie, I'm a tad more interested, and concerned about the "special operation" in Ukraine than your pixel house.

[Padudu]

Recently yes but for a long time nope.

many of the census sweeps for a very long time put the active player base to be bouncing around 300-350k

yes its higher now. buts that why i said "until recently"

I swear seeing your posts from this thread you're just pulling numbers out of nowhere lol. but ok I'll go ahead

where are you getting this info from? bcus I just did a quick google search and found nothing that indicates that XIV is dropping that massively or bouncing around 300k-350k. like what census are you following lol.

idk fam but your math for counting the demo system being off more than on is like incredibly sus so can you please source lol