Support for FCFS housing in 6.1

[VerdeLuck]

Which is why the majority of the plots would still be using the lottery system. Having a few wards be FCFS keeps both groups happy.


Kind of irrelevant, as the lotteries will get flooded with entries anyway. Especially on servers that are currently listed as congested.

As for the third party launcher/login issues, there's always the option of enabling plot purchases 1 hour after servers go live. Although this still makes it a game of who can click things faster.

Allowing people to rush a potential FCFS ward and then pick through the lottery if they don't make it only benefits the people who once again, are around for the server restart and have a 3rd party client. They would effectively get twice the chance as everyone else as they would be there for the mad dash to get to the FCFS plots, then if they can't get one, are able to fall back onto te general lottery and get the same odds as everyone else. At that point, just make everything a lottery so people have equal chances instead of rewarding a small number of people who try to game the system.

[Nezerius]

it only benefits the people who once again, are around for the server restart and have a 3rd party client.

I've already suggested a possible fix for the bolded issue in my previous post.

They would effectively get twice the chance as everyone else as they would be there for the mad dash to get to the FCFS plots, then if they can't get one, are able to fall back onto te general lottery and get the same odds as everyone else. At that point, just make everything a lottery so people have equal chances instead of rewarding a small number of people who try to game the system.

Some players would rather take a shot at a FCFS plot (even if it means getting up at odd times), than have a very miniscule chance at a plot through the lottery system. Keep in mind that the duration of lottery period, as of the live letter that discussed this, is set to a few days. It wouldn't surprise me if the chance of actually obtaining a plot is 1% or lower.

At the end of the day, we'll just have to wait and see how SE will react to the overall feedback regarding FCFS/Lottery, and how much it'd take for them to consider turning a few wards into FCFS.

[Fenril7]

Some players would rather take a shot at a FCFS plot (even if it means getting up at odd times), than have a very miniscule chance at a plot through the lottery system. Keep in mind that the duration of lottery period, as of the live letter that discussed this, is set to a few days.

Some people seems to think the lottery period could be a full week, like the weekly reset. Just think, 10-whatever amount of houses are in that lottery period…. You put your raffle in… then after a few days or a full week you lose.

Rinse and repeat…. Sooner or later all those new wards will be full and the amount of available housing will be ZERO.

Ok, I put a raffle in on 20-25 houses total since 6.1 and lost them all. Now tell me you rather have a lottery instead of say three full wards of FCFS.

One day, all those available housing will be taken and the only new houses will be players subscription expired and instead of maybe 25-50 people putting in for those raffle houses, your next raffle might have hundreds of players for that ONE house. If you didn’t win a raffle with the enormous amount of houses at the start of 6.1, what chance do you have in 6.3 with one popping up every few weeks?

A lot of you haven’t thought all of the different scenarios that can/may happen.

[LunaFancy]

Allowing people to rush a potential FCFS ward and then pick through the lottery if they don't make it only benefits the people who once again, are around for the server restart and have a 3rd party client. They would effectively get twice the chance as everyone else as they would be there for the mad dash to get to the FCFS plots, then if they can't get one, are able to fall back onto te general lottery and get the same odds as everyone else. At that point, just make everything a lottery so people have equal chances instead of rewarding a small number of people who try to game the system.

I don't understand this attitude, if people are prepared to set alarms, take time off work or otherwise organise their time so that they can be present for a FCFS race, more power to them. It's not as if everyone doesn't have the same amount of time in which to plan to do the same?

As for the bit about there being an issue with those who miss out on the FCFS being allowed to enter a lottery being an issue, I just don't know what to say to that, I really don't. If you truly believe that EVERYBODY having incredibly high odds against them is the fairest system then I very much look forward to hearing from you after the lottery goes off.

There is nothing wrong with giving people the option to participate in FCFS and having a lottery (until everyone starts complaining about the injustice of RNG that is, of course.)

On a bright note, I predict housing demolitions to be more frequent since it will be nothing but RNG deciding who gets houses instead of the kind of people who are willing to invest time and planning into realising their housing goals. My guess is that 60-70% of the lottery winners won't even understand they need to actually use the house to keep the house!

[Kyssa]

I don't understand this attitude, if people are prepared to set alarms, take time off work or otherwise organise their time so that they can be present for a FCFS race, more power to them. It's not as if everyone doesn't have the same amount of time in which to plan to do the same?

No, people do not all have the same amount of time available to "plan". Some people have jobs/duties that require specific notice requirements and that likely won't be available for awhile. Some people can't even give 4 weeks notice- they may have to give more, or may not even have any time left available to take off at all.

No, not everyone is able to take time off work that is compatible with when SE determines would be the time slot to open FCFS.

No, not everyone is able to "organize" their life so that a video game can take priority over whatever else may be on their schedule.

It's time that people recognize that this is a game. A leisurely activity that should enhance your time off from the stresses from the real world while playing it.

The only place "Savage" belongs in this game is in dungeons/trials/raids.

[Kyssa]

A lot of you haven’t thought all of the different scenarios that can/may happen.

Oh hey, at least this time you didn't call everyone who does not agree with you "greedy". Many of us don't think of every scenario because NO ONE can think of every scenario. You included.

We see the situation as it has been, and for many, that simply hasn't worked out for them. It's time for a change.

[geekgirl101]

Your post makes it sound like the system can only be FCFS or the lottery system.

I've seen this kind of behaviour on a lot of posts, especially some I made in the past. People can't seem to grasp that not everything is binary and completely miss the point entirely. That said I am completely in favour of not having FCFS come back. I was there when it was in Shirogane and trying to log in within 3 minutes of the servers coming up was a nightmare of lobby errors and long queues before I finally got in the game to only find 1 unclaimed house throughout the whole of my server, half the ones people in my FC had their eyes set on that were close to the FC house were snapped up by bots and were unoccupied for months. FCFS is only giving houses to bots and house flippers. There won't be any choice of FCFS and lottery for buyers when there are no houses on FCFS wards to buy as soon as the servers open.

[Kyssa]

On a bright note, I predict housing demolitions to be more frequent since it will be nothing but RNG deciding who gets houses instead of the kind of people who are willing to invest time and planning into realising their housing goals. My guess is that 60-70% of the lottery winners won't even understand they need to actually use the house to keep the house!

Forgot to address this part of your post, so instead of editing mine to do so, I'll just do so on it's own, since I find it to be the most egotistical bit of blather I've seen on the topic yet.

Yeah, those bots are gonna go hard to get that housing because a bunch of 'em are making their RL money that way. Wanna know who can "open" their schedule at a whim to accommodate the release of pixelated real estate? The people that make a living selling it.

As to your snide remark that 60-70% of players who may successfully acquire a home via lottery being too stupid to be able to figure out the intricacies of housing in order to keep it from being auto-demo'ed within 45 days goes- my guess is you're projecting your own difficulties in figuring out simple tasks onto others. Tsk tsk. It'll be okay. This community is really helpful and I'm sure others will get the help you must have received to be able to enjoy the game to the fullest too!

[LunaFancy]

Forgot to address this part of your post, so instead of editing mine to do so, I'll just do so on it's own, since I find it to be the most egotistical bit of blather I've seen on the topic yet.

Yeah, those bots are gonna go hard to get that housing because a bunch of 'em are making their RL money that way. Wanna know who can "open" their schedule at a whim to accommodate the release of pixelated real estate? The people that make a living selling it.

As to your snide remark that 60-70% of players who may successfully acquire a home via lottery being too stupid to be able to figure out the intricacies of housing in order to keep it from being auto-demo'ed within 45 days goes- my guess is you're projecting your own difficulties in figuring out simple tasks onto others. Tsk tsk. It'll be okay. This community is really helpful and I'm sure others will get the help you must have received to be able to enjoy the game to the fullest too!

Wow, nice ad hominem attack there well done. I'd like to point out that YOU are the one that turned it into an attack on intelligence, not me, is someone triggered by their own projections perhaps?

What I was implying was that a pure RNG based system like a lottery, as opposed to a system that requires planning, effort and a genuine desire for the outcome such as FCFS, encourages everyone to have a go, because what are the odds right? So what is going to happen is that people who normally wouldn't bother with housing will take their chance and a LOT of them will win.

And when they take breaks, or don't enter the house often because they really weren't all that into housing in the first place, they will lose the house to auto demo. That's actually a positive aspect of the lottery since finding an auto demo house takes effort and interest and therefore people who aren't that interested in housing won't be patrolling the ward lists looking.

I'd like to note that it is always the lottery only people who seem to stoop to attacking individuals who have opposing opinion these threads, those of us who think a combination of FCFS and lottery have been quite civil. Think about that for a moment before you demonise us.

[Nepentha]

What I was implying was that a pure RNG based system like a lottery, as opposed to a system that requires planning, effort and a genuine desire for the outcome such as FCFS, encourages everyone to have a go, because what are the odds right? So what is going to happen is that people who normally wouldn't bother with housing will take their chance and a LOT of them will win.

And when they take breaks, or don't enter the house often because they really weren't all that into housing in the first place, they will lose the house to auto demo. That's actually a positive aspect of the lottery since finding an auto demo house takes effort and interest and therefore people who aren't that interested in housing won't be patrolling the ward lists looking.

I'll tell you who will dominate. People who use third party software for launchers with various plugins to ensure faster and smoother logins over those who don't want to violate the ToS. And people who have bots set up pre-programmed to ward scan and auto run/auto buy plots. I'm sorry that isn't planning or effort. That's cheating.

Which is why I can't support FCFS wards any longer. I'd prefer it if SE would just figure out a way to give all players housing. But until they finally realize that and do it, we're stuck with this. And as unfortunate and as distasteful as it is, a lotto is the great equalizer for the time being.