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    Nova' Dragon
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    Paladin Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaduera View Post
    TTBN having an MP cost is not problematic, no. TBN not breaking punishing you with a DPS loss is. Again, knowing patterns of fights TBN can just not break anyway. I was doing Zodiark and on the first Exoterikos (Spelling?) if he does triangle + Square I will use TBN and Dark Mind to avoid taking damage and not get a vuln stack but keep uptime. I did this with Dark Mind because even though I know I will not need Shadow Wall again in the cooldown duration, if I do this the auto attack that happens after that damage is applied, TBN does not break... I know this because I learned the fights patterns and used my cooldowns to their fullest to keep uptime and maximize DPS... and instead took a DPS loss the first time i tried it. And there are multiple points with the tripple Exoterikos where you can use the same trick to avoid moving. That feels so incredibly bad. Imagine someone saying you're too good at your job, so you get paid less money.
    You can take Vuln stacks anyway, Healers wouldn't really care considering how easy the fight is. It only becomes problematic if the DPS is mediocre, otherwise who cares it will barely go above 2 stacks.
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    Ryaduera Tengille
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    Leviathan
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadfire View Post
    You can take Vuln stacks anyway, Healers wouldn't really care considering how easy the fight is. It only becomes problematic if the DPS is mediocre, otherwise who cares it will barely go above 2 stacks.
    You just said "It's ok the game punishes you for trying to use your skills as intended (nullifying damage) because you don't need to properly execute mechanics in the first place" and that is not an excuse, it's just negligence. I still get punished for using my abilities.
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    Filled to the brim with salt, vinegar, and unpopular opinions.

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    I mean, people been doing it for years taking Vuln stacks for more DPS, there's nothing remotely wrong with it as long it's not overboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadfire View Post
    I mean, people been doing it for years taking Vuln stacks for more DPS, there's nothing remotely wrong with it as long it's not overboard.
    Right, but that doesn't mean I should get punished with outgoing DPS because I didn't take the vuln stack. I should not get punished for using my actions in a way that allows me to avoid a vuln stack just because "it's fine if I got it anyway." This argument lacks grounding so bad that even conjecture would have more standing than "Lol then don't use your abilities." And what if saving the vuln stack means I can take one later for even more uptime?
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    Filled to the brim with salt, vinegar, and unpopular opinions.

    Nobody told me Fantasias were addictive, now I have to go to rehab.