Toxic DPS

[DarkDredgen]

No you aren't. By refusing to take mobs off the DPS you actively aren't doing your job. If your healer friend isn't yet comfortable with healing, don't queue into healer level dungeons and force the DPS to comply. What you're essentially doing is demanding the DPS conform and you've ensured anyone who steps out of line can be easily kicked.

What a load of dribble mate.

And I suppose you were immediately capable of tanking/healing wall to wall pulls, without issue and without compromise, the first time you ever played the jobs in ffxiv?

Of course you were.

There are 4 people in a dungeon, if only one of them is actively upsetting the balance and causing issues for the other 3, who exactly is the problem?

What gives a selfish dps the right to throw the rest of the party into chaos?

Maybe I should start pulling up all the sub par dps players I get in 95% of my dungeon runs and tell them that if they are not up to performing their role to a high degree then they shouldn't waste my time by queueing up?

Like I said, I am more than happy to let idiots like that die.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

There are 4 people in a dungeon, if only one of them is actively upsetting the balance and causing issues for the other 3, who exactly is the problem?

What gives a selfish dps the right to throw the rest of the party into chaos?

I mean pot meets kettle much? the tank that won't w2w pull is upsetting the balance and causing issues for the rest of the party that just wants to get the dungeon done, get the exp/ tomes/ glam or whatever else, if anything the selfish person is the tank taking away something tangible, peoples time, wasting it by 10-15 minutes more than is needed. Inexperience is a piss poor excuse to not w2w pull, especially when there is so many tools to facilitate it now.

And no tank is gonna learn how to w2w pull by not doing it, so inexperience is less of an excuse, single pulling is nothing short of just lazy gameplay. No healer is gonna learn how to handle w2w pulls, without doing w2w pulls, single trash pulls are a massive waste of healer resources.

Like I said, I am more than happy to let idiots like that die.

This is straight up griefing your party and is toxic gameplay, nothing to be proud of.

[Izar_Chillen]

What a load of dribble mate.

And I suppose you were immediately capable of tanking/healing wall to wall pulls, without issue and without compromise, the first time you ever played the jobs in ffxiv?

Of course you were.

oh the irony



Nobody was , and that's not the duty type in question the duty was a level 60 post MSQ dungeon


What type of player isn't capable of understanding that big pulls help tanks own CD management , healers for their limted AOE to get the most out of their mana and lower potency and DPS capable big badaboom AOE rotations by lvl 60 ?

[ForteNightshade]

What a load of dribble mate.

And I suppose you were immediately capable of tanking/healing wall to wall pulls, without issue and without compromise, the first time you ever played the jobs in ffxiv?

Of course you were.

There are 4 people in a dungeon, if only one of them is actively upsetting the balance and causing issues for the other 3, who exactly is the problem?

What gives a selfish dps the right to throw the rest of the party into chaos?

Maybe I should start pulling up all the sub par dps players I get in 95% of my dungeon runs and tell them that if they are not up to performing their role to a high degree then they shouldn't waste my time by queueing up?

Never said I was. However, when I was new to tanking I spammed early dungeons such as Brayflux, Stone Vigil and Darkhold to practice. This is after I leveled my first tank (DRK) through mostly FATE grinding back when the Yo-kai event first released. Yes, I actually went back and repeatedly spammed "old" dungeons just to better prepare myself.

If I can do that, why can't you or your friend? Because you couldn't care less about the experience of other players. You say "only one of them" yet ignore the high possibility both DPS want to go faster. In that same scenario you're gonna say "too bad!" Do explain how that isn't selfish, or how it supposedly isn't selfish to queue into 71+ content and expect everyone else to just accept you're new and deal with it?

What "high degree?" As a tank your buttons literally do not change. As a healer, you might actually have to heal in a double pack pull. If you consider this high intensity gameplay, you aren't ready to tank/heal dungeons above 50. Single pulls reduce tanks to gimped DPS and nothing more. In fact, both roles are so worthless they could be replaced entirely by a DPS and you'd actually go faster. There's a reason you hear several recounts on TalesFromDF where DPS wound up tanking a full pack and the healer slapped a regen on them without worry. I've actually been that healer before. It's incredibly easy to keep a DPS alive in small pulls, especially Melee.

I do like the emphasise you put on "your time." Of course the DPS' time doesn't matter to you. "Too bad! They should queue as a tank if they wanna go fast." What was that about DPS being selfish?

Like I said, I am more than happy to let idiots like that die.

And this just makes you a bad tank. You aren't "adapting." You're inflicting a self perceived vendetta against DPS who dared step out of line. They aren't intending to wipe the party by pulling ahead, you are intending to kill them. Therefore, you're the one intentionally griefing not them.