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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicno View Post
    I wasn't getting at your typo, just pointing out how not even members of the Convocation knew every single person living on the planet nor what they were working on. They weren't some sort of overmind. They didn't know about Kairos either, despite being a dangerous tool by Emet's admission and it being used by more researchers at the facility, not just Hermes. Also keep in mind all the mess happening in Pandaemonium. It seems in reality a lot of things slipped under their radar, so stop trying to claim that because neither Emet nor Hythlodaeus knew anything about dynamis nor entelechies then that means nobody else in the entire star had knowledge about it besides Hermes. It's entirely possible there were other researchers who could have been competent enough or could have made entirely new discoveries to solve the Final Days if they had known dynamis was at the core of it.
    Let’s separate two different claims. One is that dynamis is unknown to everyone but Hermes, and the other is that Hermes is a foremost expert at the time of the Final Days. The latter is true, the former not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicno View Post
    Younger beings? So I'm a "new" being after the sundering? So that means the former being who was Azem ceased to be and I'm a new being, right? That means... you know... the former being technically died in order to make a new being, and I'm that new younger being, her "child". And the same happens to the rest of humanity. Which means effectively that Genocidaelyn murdered all of humanity to create a new "breed" of it, whom are her "childs", out of whatever reason she deemed necessary but she did. Yes, you can still technically call that humanity, but she doesn't correlate the "new" beings to the old ones. Unless the cutscene requires it.
    You realize this is you personally judging it to be contradictory right? If the game, as you admitted it does, says she sees them a certain way, and you go “no that’d to me seems contradictory,” that doesn’t mean the game didn’t say that. It means you’re rejecting evidence to the contrary of your stated opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicno View Post
    And she didn't believe the "old" ones capable of dealing with things, so she used them as crafting mats for making the "new" ones who would be. Think of it like those moths we killed when we first arrived at Elpis from which they created our robes.
    You do in fact realize that those “old ones” were not physically harmed or altered by the act of enervation yes? They still retained their personalities and attributes.



    And even then whether intelligence was halved is questionable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicno View Post
    Not enough faith as to let them try to find a way of dealing with Meteion. Instead she let them flail completely in the dark at what they believed to be a phenomena in the laws of nature rather than a concerted attack that exploited their lack of interest in knowledge of the one rather obscure and particular thing the attacker happened to manipulate.
    The reason why she was not open to all of what transpired at Elpis was stated clearly in the text. If you wish to argue that those reasons aren’t valid, then we can discuss that, but to ignore that and insist that she freely chose to deny them that information is unfounded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicno View Post
    I'll admit this time I may be grasping too hard at something that may be a pure localization thing (from what others have described of other languages). I'm just mad at how the localization just exacerbates the writing issues and I also keep some grudges for past "incidents", so I'll use every chance to throw shade at them, especially Koji.
    You’re allowed your feelings, I don’t have beef and quite like the localization efforts so I can’t agree but that’s no really important.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicno View Post
    You may be confusing "creations" with "concepts". The creations weren't submitted to the Bureau to see if they would let you use them or not, they were submitted to be turned into concepts that would be more widely used by other members of their society simply by providing them with aether. Making creations from scratch requires focus and intent by the creator. The Bureau basically aproves or rejects creations to be mass-produced in canned versions to be served in vendor machines.
    Yes concepts were stored and regulated so as to allow their use more broadly, this I agree with. My point however is that the Bureaus work went beyond being a repository and seemed to make no distinction in a concept meant for large scale use and one made for personal reasons. Ifrita, Phoenix, Meteion, and innumerable other creations were never intended for wider use, but were submitted all the same. Hythlo when he asks Hermes of Meteion never asks what his intentions are with her, and in fact that doesn’t come up until later when Hermes freely tells us while explaining dynamis.

    But perhaps I am overestimating the Bureaus reach, it’s clear they don’t have much of an enforcement arm. Still the fact remains that Hermes background with dynamis is unique and his experiments one of a kind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicno View Post
    grasping vague interactions as irrefutable proof of this and that and negating other possibilities because they don't match that particular interaction without looking at the bigger picture.
    Then let’s return to the original topic then. The question remains, can Hermes be replaced and is their a good reason to believe that a creation with the ability to control dynamis could defeat Meteion and thus make the Sundering unnecessary? My answer is of course no to both, based on what we know of Hermes and based on what we know of how dynamis works.
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