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    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    Yes I made a typo, meant to say “greatest sorcerer living.” And who was this guide through Elpis?
    I wasn't getting at your typo, just pointing out how not even members of the Convocation knew every single person living on the planet nor what they were working on. They weren't some sort of overmind. They didn't know about Kairos either, despite being a dangerous tool by Emet's admission and it being used by more researchers at the facility, not just Hermes. Also keep in mind all the mess happening in Pandaemonium. It seems in reality a lot of things slipped under their radar, so stop trying to claim that because neither Emet nor Hythlodaeus knew anything about dynamis nor entelechies then that means nobody else in the entire star had knowledge about it besides Hermes. It's entirely possible there were other researchers who could have been competent enough or could have made entirely new discoveries to solve the Final Days if they had known dynamis was at the core of it.



    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    Because they are younger beings shaped by the actions of a mother goddess? Once again viewing someone as your child doesn’t inherently mean they aren’t equals.
    Younger beings? So I'm a "new" being after the sundering? So that means the former being who was Azem ceased to be and I'm a new being, right? That means... you know... the former being technically died in order to make a new being, and I'm that new younger being, her "child". And the same happens to the rest of humanity. Which means effectively that Genocidaelyn murdered all of humanity to create a new "breed" of it, whom are her "childs", out of whatever reason she deemed necessary but she did. Yes, you can still technically call that humanity, but she doesn't correlate the "new" beings to the old ones. Unless the cutscene requires it. And she didn't believe the "old" ones capable of dealing with things, so she used them as crafting mats for making the "new" ones who would be. Think of it like those moths we killed when we first arrived at Elpis from which they created our robes.



    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    But I don’t believe those are discrepancies, so I don’t see why I should acknowledge them as inconsistent! She never at any point says anything about the sundering that casts doubt on the humanity of those she sundered, or suggests she doesn’t view those sundered as a part of the same mankind. Far from it. If she viewed the two groups as so distinct as to be able to give up entirely on the former in favor of the latter, then we’re left with an inherent contradiction in her world view. After all, her faith in humanity comes from her experiences with the Ancients so if she viewed them as being that distinct, why would that belief apply to the sundered? Why would she have faith in a completely unrelated “new” group? She wouldn’t of course. The faith she gained from traveling the world and working with Ancient humanity leads her to have faith in them and in their sundered members.

    Not enough faith as to let them try to find a way of dealing with Meteion. Instead she let them flail completely in the dark at what they believed to be a phenomena in the laws of nature rather than a concerted attack that exploited their lack of interest in knowledge of the one rather obscure and particular thing the attacker happened to manipulate.



    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    I did so I wouldn’t take up half the page with quotes. And if there’s a reason why you did something… would you not say that’s why you did it? Once again saying that’s a reason for the sundering and why it happened the way it did does not mean it’s the only or sole reason. You’re forcing there to be a contradiction, unsuccessfully.
    I'll admit this time I may be grasping too hard at something that may be a pure localization thing (from what others have described of other languages). I'm just mad at how the localization just exacerbates the writing issues and I also keep some grudges for past "incidents", so I'll use every chance to throw shade at them, especially Koji.



    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    That makes zero sense. Allowing random citizens to make creations and judge whether to send to the bureau is a disaster waiting to happen. All it it would take is a single, poorly thought out pet to destroy an entire ecosystem or worse.
    You may be confusing "creations" with "concepts". The creations weren't submitted to the Bureau to see if they would let you use them or not, they were submitted to be turned into concepts that would be more widely used by other members of their society simply by providing them with aether. Making creations from scratch requires focus and intent by the creator. The Bureau basically aproves or rejects creations to be mass-produced in canned versions to be served in vendor machines.


    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    And Hythlo himself points out that Hermes hasn’t submitted Meteion yet and inquires when he will do so despite her only being a pet project to him at that point. Hell even the Elpis flower was submitted.
    Yes, he had an intention of eventually submitting her, and of course a member of the Bureau would encourage him to do it, that doesn't mean it was a "requirement" for everybody. Again, you're extrapolating too many "absolutes" from casual interactions. I think the true root of our differences in opinions is that I'm trying to point out how there's open possibilities for this and that unless there's hard evidence or a logic contradiction against it, while you're grasping vague interactions as irrefutable proof of this and that and negating other possibilities because they don't match that particular interaction without looking at the bigger picture.
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    Last edited by Sicno; 02-09-2022 at 04:42 PM.
    Naoki Yoshida:
    ...Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.
    Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/113554 at 1:14:22