Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

[Kozh]

It boiled down to that Venat knew the truth but nobody would believe her and so she was forced to commit acts of necessary evils and become the bad guy for the greater good.

More like "nobody knows about the truth", considering she never tell them in the first place. It's unclear either if her followers know about meteion.

And I think that's the problem with Venat. She preach about "moving on past despair" because she knew meteion methods and goal, yet the rest of the Ancients probably thinks that the Final Days was something that doesn't involve a living being and originates from the Star itself. They don't even know why "move on" is the key to beat the Final Days.

And honestly, "move on" is more appropriate for us in real life when you can't turn back time or resurrect the dead. The Ancients has the means to bring back their loved ones. Who wouldn't take the chance if that happened to any of us. The only dilemma is the sacrifice new life thing, but Venat herself stated that while she may not fully on board with that idea, she wasn't going to sunder the world just because of it (from the conversation after hearing our tale of the future).

[Denji]

More like "nobody knows about the truth", considering she never tell them in the first place. It's unclear either if her followers know about meteion.

And I think that's the problem with Venat. She preach about "moving on past despair" because she knew meteion methods and goal, yet the rest of the Ancients probably thinks that the Final Days was something that doesn't involve a living being and originates from the Star itself. They don't even know why "move on" is the key to beat the Final Days.

And honestly, "move on" is more appropriate for us in real life when you can't turn back time or resurrect the dead. The Ancients has the means to bring back their loved ones. Who wouldn't take the chance if that happened to any of us. The only dilemma is the sacrifice new life thing, but Venat herself stated that while she may not fully on board with that idea, she wasn't going to sunder the world just because of it (from the conversation after hearing our tale of the future).

tbh messing with the timeline can be (theoretically) pretty messy. if she tried it's possible things could've worked out but as far as she was aware, the WoL and her future self had a plan set in motion. if she were to interfere it's possible that plan may just never had happened and she would've doomed everyone. by doing nothing but becoming the primal she knew she was going to become she could at least be certain that there would at the very least -be- a plan.

and even if she did reveal all she knew and told the ancients, it's clear that none had ever left the star before. additionally, we're not given a timeframe as to how long it takes for the final days to occur to the ancients. it could be days, it could be weeks. months. years.

also hades didn't take the news well the first time he heard it and that was with clear evidence that some person from the future was literally sitting in front of him. imagine if venat tried again. also, also, again: it's possible zodiark would be summoned whether she interfered or not and the sundering would make telling anyone all this irrelevant anyway since we only know of her and a few ascians managing to make it out unsundered. it's possible she screamed it from the rooftops and everyone knew but went along with the zodiark plan anyway because it was better than just dying from a random monster made from your mind.

in the end though my main point stands: if she told anyone anything it's possible that her future plans could've been changed or, worse-case, never exist in the first place. besides, if someone came up to you and said "i will become a god one day" would you take anything they said seriously?

don't get me wrong, i hate venat. generic lady goddess #65 with a personality about as deep as a teaspoon and a design (both as venat and hydaelyn) about as flavourful as a tub full of wallpaper paste.

also elidibus also said that we can't do anything that would interfere with the future and i don't think that was a warning. i think that was quite literally "anything you do will have already been done and set in stone so don't waste your breath trying to scream about the final days and zodiark and ascians because even if anyone could care the timeline would, fundamentally, remain immutable."

[Lilyth]

Disagreements from other threads aside, I really like your signatures as well. They are very well made and fit the game perfectly!

Goodness knows that no matter how innocuous or rational someone's opinion is, there will be someone else who will take it issue with it.

Sorry you feel that way. I've always used my main account on the forums and so far nothing has come out of it. Idk why but I feel like it's not me if I don't use my main to talk in here.



OT: My hot take is that defeating a boss/encounter before the music even gets good should not be a thing.

[Kozh]

tbh messing with the timeline can be (theoretically) pretty messy.

ShB and the 8UC timeline says hi.

That aside, maybe I should clarify that I actually don't have problem with the sundering itself. I mean it's still a messed up thing to do, but ultimately a necessary evil. My problem is with the writing; more specifically, about the believability and them trying so hard to justify venat and made her the "benelovent God". It's just unbelievable that out of everyone, only Hermes is the dynamis specialist. It's unbelievable that noone question him making meteia and release it to the space without even submitting it first to the Bureau.

There are still lots of things I can complain about, but this isn't the place, so that two points above are just the examples.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Hrothgar were a mistake.

[Denji]

ShB and the 8UC timeline says hi.

That aside, maybe I should clarify that I actually don't have problem with the sundering itself. I mean it's still a messed up thing to do, but ultimately a necessary evil. My problem is with the writing; more specifically, about the believability and them trying so hard to justify venat and made her the "benelovent God". It's just unbelievable that out of everyone, only Hermes is the dynamis specialist. It's unbelievable that noone question him making meteia and release it to the space without even submitting it first to the Bureau.

There are still lots of things I can complain about, but this isn't the place, so that two points above are just the examples.

except that those things may have needed to happen, had already happened, or were always going to happen.

all we know from that timeline is that in some places we're told it persisted and midgardsomr is there chilling with the people who didn't die while crystal tower catboi contradicts that in EW and says the timeline was "unmade". the only real concrete evidence we got of what happened beyond that is urianger tripping on interdimensional shrooms and seeing a vision of the WoL dead.

if history has already recorded that you had gone into the past and altered it, then are you actually altering history by then going into the past and doing what history has already recorded?

if you go into the past thinking "i will fix this thing" and you fix it, then will your past-future self won't be aware that it's a problem that they would need to go into the past and fix? or does you fixing it also undoing you going out -to- fix it, thus negating your attempted change to the timeline?

the difference between you going into the source's past and crystal tower catboi going back in time to the first is that even if he alters the first's history he is still isolated from the effects this would have on the source. he is already displaced and meets his end there, there is no future for that version of him on the source. he's even uncomfortable about this and brings it up a few times where he's like "bro i don't even know if i'm me or if i'm remembering a statue's memories at this point".

[YukikoKurosawa]

And what are your feelings on Venat/Hydaelyn? The one person who made the decision to extinguish all life as she knew it on her planet, for what she felt was right?

Venat made catgirls real. That alone makes up for it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Extremely hot take, quite possibly too hot: Lyse is a great character and much of the hate towards her is cringey and bandwagony, she's hated largely because it's popular to hate her and less so because of legitimate issues with how she's written

Oh My God...somebody said it...

[Kozh]

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Yeah I get the time loop principle, but my point is that ShB introduced multi timeline where the Exarch created a new one by saving us from Black Rose, thus preventing the final rejoining. I understand why they had to make it a time loop in EW, otherwise we as the player cannot return to "our eorzea". But considering it's possible to make a new timeline from traveling to the past, it's disappointing that we're restricted to the time loop rule and unable to save the Ancients regardless.

One small thing, iirc, urianger lied about seeing our demise. He told us that because the Exarch asked him to.

[Rosenstrauch]

I understand why they had to make it a time loop in EW, otherwise we as the player cannot return to "our eorzea".

I mean, not really. The only time we know of that a character has 1. "Traveled to the past" and 2. "Rewritten history by doing so" was with G'raha. And he never even tried to go back, nor did he ever talk about the possibility of doing so.

For all we know taking the portal back could have worked like Trunks's time machine in DBZ. We could have knocked the past so far off course that our own future will never be possible from their perspective, and still arrived in our own future regardless.