Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

[Shibi]

Hot take: People who spoil deserve to be sundered and spend eternity washing a primal's bumcrack.

[dapperfaffer]

Hot Take: The Hot Take thread is no longer about hot takes
jfc

[Vahlnir]

Hot Take: The Hot Take thread is no longer about hot takes
jfc

Everything being said right now is probably a hot take in someone's eyes. Somewhere. Even my post right here.

[dapperfaffer]

Everything being said right now is probably a hot take in someone's eyes. Somewhere. Even my post right here.

oh, nyo!
does that mean we're Twatter now?

[kpxmanifesto]

I don't care, I disagree. I'm 100% sure he'd be a different person if he grew up in a loving environment.

Ya know, I thought you were really on to something there right until you deleted your posts.

[Minarisweet]

I love how this thread is a battlefield

[Remish]

See, I'm conflicted a little about this.

Clearly some time passed after the events on Elpis. Unfortunately, the game doesn't show us enough. What was that golden rule in live-action/animation? "Show, don't tell?" Yeah, they didn't do enough so we don't have that whole buildup to what Venat does. The final days started but I would hate to think Venat immediately went for blood (especially given the way she describes how much she loves all living things) but at the same time, the custcene makes it look like right there and then, she made up her mind like a homicidal psychopath would when they flip their mental switch.

It's all these questions I want to ask the live letter (or at least I hope people ask) but I have a feeling they'll go unanswered.

Everyone was getting a bit nutty and crazy during the events of the final days. You had Venat who basically took upon the role of a bible prophet. Meanwhile the population was so stuck to their own ideologies to think she was anything more than a tin foiled hat conspiracy theorist. When at the same time they were sacrificing lives to supply their own conspiracy theorist god, Zodiark. Though when the whole planet is plunged into Armageddon, I couldn't reasonably expect anyone to stay mentally sane. It boiled down to that Venat knew the truth but nobody would believe her and so she was forced to commit acts of necessary evils and become the bad guy for the greater good. It's pretty hypocritical that she got to keep her "wings" sure. But she didn't keep her wings because she thought she was superior, she kept them because she was the only one with any knowledge of the future and of Metetion. The fact she gives her life up so quickly the moment we meet her, goes to show how long she has waited for a successor to relieve her of the burden.

At the end of the day, every single person involved handled the entire situation badly but both sides are going to point fingers that the other was eviler than their own beliefs. The difference was that Venat had the foreknowledge of her actions to sunder the planet which had seemingly believable good potential since the us from the future enlightened her to that outcome. She even says in the story that she would never oppose the convocations decisions. Her mind was made up entirely because she believed our story. Which she didn't have much reason to doubt since our soul was the same as her successor's. Whom she already trusted. We're missing a lot of information about what happened exactly leading up to it. Like did she ever even speak to the new Azem (us) about it or left them in the dark while they made their own blind choices. It's hard to say and I'd very much like to know myself. If Venat became some deranged lunatic, it's only because we made her one acting as if we're an Angel coming down from heaven to heavily influence her mind. Azems in general are just extremely chaotic good in nature.

[Kozh]

It boiled down to that Venat knew the truth but nobody would believe her and so she was forced to commit acts of necessary evils and become the bad guy for the greater good.

More like "nobody knows about the truth", considering she never tell them in the first place. It's unclear either if her followers know about meteion.

And I think that's the problem with Venat. She preach about "moving on past despair" because she knew meteion methods and goal, yet the rest of the Ancients probably thinks that the Final Days was something that doesn't involve a living being and originates from the Star itself. They don't even know why "move on" is the key to beat the Final Days.

And honestly, "move on" is more appropriate for us in real life when you can't turn back time or resurrect the dead. The Ancients has the means to bring back their loved ones. Who wouldn't take the chance if that happened to any of us. The only dilemma is the sacrifice new life thing, but Venat herself stated that while she may not fully on board with that idea, she wasn't going to sunder the world just because of it (from the conversation after hearing our tale of the future).

[Denji]

More like "nobody knows about the truth", considering she never tell them in the first place. It's unclear either if her followers know about meteion.

And I think that's the problem with Venat. She preach about "moving on past despair" because she knew meteion methods and goal, yet the rest of the Ancients probably thinks that the Final Days was something that doesn't involve a living being and originates from the Star itself. They don't even know why "move on" is the key to beat the Final Days.

And honestly, "move on" is more appropriate for us in real life when you can't turn back time or resurrect the dead. The Ancients has the means to bring back their loved ones. Who wouldn't take the chance if that happened to any of us. The only dilemma is the sacrifice new life thing, but Venat herself stated that while she may not fully on board with that idea, she wasn't going to sunder the world just because of it (from the conversation after hearing our tale of the future).

tbh messing with the timeline can be (theoretically) pretty messy. if she tried it's possible things could've worked out but as far as she was aware, the WoL and her future self had a plan set in motion. if she were to interfere it's possible that plan may just never had happened and she would've doomed everyone. by doing nothing but becoming the primal she knew she was going to become she could at least be certain that there would at the very least -be- a plan.

and even if she did reveal all she knew and told the ancients, it's clear that none had ever left the star before. additionally, we're not given a timeframe as to how long it takes for the final days to occur to the ancients. it could be days, it could be weeks. months. years.

also hades didn't take the news well the first time he heard it and that was with clear evidence that some person from the future was literally sitting in front of him. imagine if venat tried again. also, also, again: it's possible zodiark would be summoned whether she interfered or not and the sundering would make telling anyone all this irrelevant anyway since we only know of her and a few ascians managing to make it out unsundered. it's possible she screamed it from the rooftops and everyone knew but went along with the zodiark plan anyway because it was better than just dying from a random monster made from your mind.

in the end though my main point stands: if she told anyone anything it's possible that her future plans could've been changed or, worse-case, never exist in the first place. besides, if someone came up to you and said "i will become a god one day" would you take anything they said seriously?

don't get me wrong, i hate venat. generic lady goddess #65 with a personality about as deep as a teaspoon and a design (both as venat and hydaelyn) about as flavourful as a tub full of wallpaper paste.

also elidibus also said that we can't do anything that would interfere with the future and i don't think that was a warning. i think that was quite literally "anything you do will have already been done and set in stone so don't waste your breath trying to scream about the final days and zodiark and ascians because even if anyone could care the timeline would, fundamentally, remain immutable."

[Lilyth]

Disagreements from other threads aside, I really like your signatures as well. They are very well made and fit the game perfectly!

Goodness knows that no matter how innocuous or rational someone's opinion is, there will be someone else who will take it issue with it.

Sorry you feel that way. I've always used my main account on the forums and so far nothing has come out of it. Idk why but I feel like it's not me if I don't use my main to talk in here.



OT: My hot take is that defeating a boss/encounter before the music even gets good should not be a thing.