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  1. #331
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    Praetorium fishers aren't that annoying.
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    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

  2. #332
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    I have no sympathy or love for Emmet Selch.

    Sure he experienced tragedy, but that doesn't justify the extermination of life on multiple worlds. And before someone says it, I think his justification of "I don't think you're really alive" cuts it for me. It's justification that felt a lot like the progadanda of certain regimes who justified killing certain ethnic groups because they didn't consider them to be fully human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    Sure he experienced tragedy, but that doesn't justify the extermination of life on multiple worlds.
    And what are your feelings on Venat/Hydaelyn? The one person who made the decision to extinguish all life as she knew it on her planet, for what she felt was right?
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  4. #334
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    And what are your feelings on Venat/Hydaelyn? The one person who made the decision to extinguish all life as she knew it on her planet, for what she felt was right?
    dear god can we not turn literally every thread into a Venat debate?
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    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

  5. #335
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkieTea View Post
    dear god can we not turn literally every thread into a Venat debate?
    I mean, if you want to talk about how a character is bad because they did a mass murder, you can't get too salty over pointing out that the so-called savior brought us into existence through genocide as well.

    I personally think this should be debated, strictly because the white knights are out in full force over anyone who dares question or criticize endwalker.
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  6. #336
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    I mean, if you want to talk about how a character is bad because they did a mass murder, you can't get too salty over pointing out that the so-called savior brought us into existence through genocide as well.

    I personally think this should be debated, strictly because the white knights are out in full force over anyone who dares question or criticize endwalker.
    There's already threads for discussing her, leave it there if you really want a discussion. You don't have to turn literally every thread that mentions one character into a discussion about another character.
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    No thanks. Housing is fine as it is

  7. #337
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    And what are your feelings on Venat/Hydaelyn? The one person who made the decision to extinguish all life as she knew it on her planet, for what she felt was right?
    I have no strong feelings about her either way.

    Though since you're asking the question, there's a difference between sundering life so that life can continue at all, and committing genocide to "Make Ethyris great again"
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  8. #338
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    Hot take: Everyone who treats any single side of the conflict as 100% right and the other as 100% wrong is missing the entire point of the story. With the exception of certain minor antagonists like Asahi or Valens, nobody has ever been pure evil in the game.
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  9. #339
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    I mean, if you want to talk about how a character is bad because they did a mass murder, you can't get too salty over pointing out that the so-called savior brought us into existence through genocide as well.

    I personally think this should be debated, strictly because the white knights are out in full force over anyone who dares question or criticize endwalker.
    Strongly agree with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Hot take: Everyone who treats any single side of the conflict as 100% right and the other as 100% wrong is missing the entire point of the story. With the exception of certain minor antagonists like Asahi or Valens, nobody has ever been pure evil in the game.
    Valens was 100% good, he just wanted to burn out the bad. :^)
    Asahi was merely overcome with lust for a blond chad who never noticed him.
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