Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[SturmChurro]

Oh no! I can have an attitude on the forums! Woe is me, that must mean that translates in-game!

No, no. Frankly, people have an attitude with me! They are lucky that I haven't bothered to report them, with what I have endured before via chat.

By the way, it is hilarious.. I have been attacked for saying "becoming a monster" (OoOoh) by simply saying I would follow the example many in this community make: to report griefers, people cursing, and the like. The people who reported me were doing great work, but if I did the same I am not?

[Kaurhz]

Oh no! I can have an attitude on the forums! Woe is me, that must mean that translates in-game!

No, no. Frankly, people have an attitude with me! They are lucky that I haven't bothered to report them, with what I have endured before via chat.

By the way, it is hilarious.. I have been attacked for saying "becoming a monster" (OoOoh) by simply saying I would follow the example many in this community make: to report griefers, people cursing, and the like. The people who reported me were doing great work, but if I did the same I am not?

Generally, the trend would remain consistent between mediums of communication. Be it on here, on Reddit, or in-game. Perhaps you just elect to skirt them more.

The fact remains, you have an attitude on the forums, and another fact remains that you got a warning in-game on your 'perfect record' - Regardless of your own personal feelings to anyone from an outside perspective it is both a potential trend and an unwillingness to act appropriately.

and no, people have called you a monster because you announced it in quite arguably a very spiteful tone. Heck even this one is very sarcastic and contradictory which just tells me you're eagerly trying to rationalise any course of irrational behaviour you're exhibiting. If you were as innocent as you previously claimed then they clearly won't doing a good job. But now by your own admission they were doing great work. - So I suppose you just aren't that innocent, are you?

[SturmChurro]

and no, people have called you a monster because you announced it in quite arguably a very spiteful tone. Heck even this one is very sarcastic and contradictory which just tells me you're eagerly trying to rationalise any course of irrational behaviour you're exhibiting. If you were as innocent as you previously claimed then they clearly won't doing a good job. But now by your own admission they were doing great work. - So I suppose you just aren't that innocent, are you?

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

[Padudu]

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

The thing is though sarcasm is 100% lost when you make your thread based on your frustrations/anger on being reported for griefing, so what do you want people to think exactly when you post stuff like that?

[SturmChurro]

The thing is though sarcasm is 100% lost when you make your thread based on your frustrations/anger on being reported for griefing, so what do you want people to think exactly when you post stuff like that?

Does anyone seriously think it actually matters what I posted sarcastic or not? I know I am disliked by many, and this is an ample opportunity for anybody who doesn't like me to gloat about how my 'perfect record' was ruined. Exactly how does anyone think I attained a 'perfect record' for so long if any of the baseless accusations that have been made against me were actually true. In over half a decade I have NEVER had a GM interaction.

This is a vent thread, I never thought I would accomplish anything by posting it, aside from venting. I am just frustrated by the lack of info given on what I supposedly did, and the obsession by many in this community to report for petty reasons.

No if you deliberately refuse to heal or rez someone, regardless of whether said damage was their own fault or not can be considered griefing.

Exactly where did I state I "refuse" to raise anybody. I stated I raise people immediately if I have swiftcast, or I wait until it is up to raise. Otherwise, if required, I will hardcast important roles such as the other healer, tanks, or dps who can raise. People just don't like how I word things. Simple as that.

See it is your tone that conveys intent. If someone is reporting you for not adhering to the ToS which they quite clearly did then no it is not a spiteful act, it is someone carrying out a civil service.

Oh.My.God. I LOVE that justification.

[Padudu]

Does anyone seriously think it actually matters what I posted sarcastic or not? I know I am disliked by many, and this is an ample opportunity for anybody who doesn't like me to gloat about how my 'perfect record' was ruined. Exactly how does anyone think I attained a 'perfect record' for so long if any of the baseless accusations that have been made against me were actually true. In over half a decade I have NEVER had a GM interaction.

This is a vent thread, I never thought I would accomplish anything by posting it, aside from venting. I am just frustrated by the lack of info given on what I may have done, and the obsession by many in this community to report for petty reasons.

I mean considering that the majority of the people here have conveyed that they took you seriously on the monster post, then yes lol. You can't get miffed at people for taking it seriously on a thread based on frustration and go "it's obviously sarcasm and hyberbole!" it's just not going to be seen that way.

Also, I did make a post yesterday agreeing that there needs to be way more transparency. I get that a person could know who reported them, but a middle ground needs to be found. It's not ok to leave you hanging in the dark, and SE did you dirty for that. I think(?) the monster quote was nuked and since I had that quoted, it unfortunately deleted my post as well kek.

[Myrany]

I mean considering that the majority of the people here have conveyed that they took you seriously on the monster post, then yes lol. You can't get miffed at people for taking it seriously on a thread based on frustration and go "it's obviously sarcasm and hyberbole!" it's just not going to be seen that way.

Also, I did make a post yesterday agreeing that there needs to be way more transparency. I get that a person could know who reported them, but a middle ground needs to be found. It's not ok to leave you hanging in the dark, and SE did you dirty for that. I think(?) the monster quote was nuked and since I had that quoted, it unfortunately deleted my post as well kek.

I would think that in many cases a GM could just say something like "You have a long running history (having consulted logs) of doing X." In which case no specific incident is discussed. There is no way in that case to identify who reported. For all you know it could have been a series of reports over possibly months or years that they have just reached the tipping point with.

[Kaurhz]

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That is called an example of something that would constitute as a violation that someone might otherwise consider themselves just playing the game. Arguably with both the report and the action carried out on your account it was fairly agreed upon that what you have done did constitute as an account violation. See, amongst all the things you could have done to vent you insisted that you've done nothing wrong, then gone on to say "Well how I behave on here isn't necessarily how I present myself in-game" All the way up to "People just don't like how I word things"

I might have actually been inclined to join your little venting crusade if it were underpinned by the reasoning that you don't think it is justifiable that they can sanction you without giving you an avenue formally at the same time where you can try and dispute the decision, or an avenue with which to see the logs associated with the decision making, of which there is (DSAR). Instead of being insistent that you were innocent and that the community are just babies that like being coddled through everything. Inarguably you're more upset and have put more effort into this vent than the person did in actually reporting you.

I'm glad you liked the rationalisation of it. Because it's true. If you breach the ToS it shows an unwillingness to act appropriately and thus someone reporting you is doing a civil service by ensuring that you're deterred from repeating the mistake (That is if you reflect on your own actions) - P.S I saw that little ninja edit. In response to saying you'll use it as justification whenever you report someone. To that end I wish you all the best in your endeavours of fighting the good fight and doing the selfsame thing that you bashed people for in your original post.

[Kaurhz]

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

No if you deliberately refuse to heal or rez someone, regardless of whether said damage was their own fault or not can be considered griefing. But then I suppose we get into this whole neurotic discussion of "But they are doing it tooo!!!" - Part of your responsibility as a healer is to do the best you can to ensure everyone is alive regardless of where the blame falls for the mistake.

See it is your tone that conveys intent. If someone is reporting you for not adhering to the ToS which they quite clearly did then no it is not a spiteful act, it is someone carrying out a civil service. Arguably you would be too if your tone didn't take a dramatic change from "It doesn't bother me so I won't report it" straight the way over to "Can't beat em, join em; just report everything that constitutes as an infraction regardless of how minor" - At this point I wouldn't even consider it sarcastic but just your attempt at trying to rationalise your behaviour.

Yes that is a fairly spiteful response. Good luck inferring sarcasm on a digital medium. Especially when the entirety of your thread is already underpinned by a relatively upset/frustrated tone.

[Myrany]

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

We can't know if they reported out of spite for certain and neither can you. Perhaps they genuinely saw whatever it was as griefing. Perhaps they reported it generally and the GM saw it as griefing. Unless we all become psychic there is no way to know what was going on inside the heads of the others involved in all of this.

The thing that is really the problem is that because of company policies you were not told what you did wrong so mitigating your behavior going forward is virtually impossible. From your posts in this thread is it apparent (imo) that you have no idea what actually triggered the report. So barring an appeal being successful you not only have no way of getting it fixed you cannot avoid the offensive behavior in the future. That strikes me as setting up players for repeated violations.