Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

[Nafreyu]

You're entitled to ask about the situation that led to this. You can tell them to omit any details that could potentially identify others, but that as this affects your account, that you reserve the right to ask for specifics about what you have allegedly done.

No one here is gonna know. We're just your vent board. Which does shit all for actually addressing your issue.

[xenahawk]

I am at a literal loss for words right now, because I received a warning DAYS ago now... for "grief" tactics. Excuse me? What? When the HECK did I participate in "grief" tactics, in fact I complain about griefers CONSTANTLY, but I am going to be hit with some warning for something I most certainly did NOT DO. I barely even chat in this game, and now my entire account will have this nasty mark on it, warning me for something I didn't know I did in the first place?!

I haven't logged into the game for like 4 days now, this makes absolutely no sense to me. Is this because I leave many dungeons I get into? Because I don't hardcast raise players? Because I try to focus on DPS uptime while juggling heals? Am I going to have to be paranoid about how I play the game now? Why doesn't my own game experience matter?

UNBELIEVABLE. I literally cannot believe this. I cannot think of a single instance of me doing this. I have yet to speak to a GM, or contact support, but I cannot have this nasty mark on my account for something I never did. Ridiculous. I log in to cap tomes and this is what I am greeted with.

I am sick and tired of many in this community whining about anything and everything, just because they don't get coddled or for some other apparent slight. SO sick of it, but I hadn't been hit by some idiotic warning before on my actual game account. If you want to enforce your TOS so strongly, maybe I will start reporting every single player everywhere who dares utter a curse word - can't beat them, then join them!

well i really hope you get it worked out on what the issue was. i dont like the idea that they would not tell you the specific reason for it because "grieffing" is a pretty vague term and can easily be some sort of miscommunication or someone else having a bad day and taking something wrong. honestly i would hope that the ff14 team wouldnt just blindly hit people with warnings without investigating so i hope you can reach out to them and find out the issue.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Not letting offenders know what sort of offense they’ve committed is quite possibly the worst aspect I’ve known in this game.

Guess we all gotta learn how to be psychic? To read another’s mind… lol…

[Xaruko_Nexume]

How in the world has this turned into an 18+ in game advert thread lmao what next NFTs?

[Ath192]

I honestly think we should just print this thread and publish it on amazon books. After all, at this point why not.

FFXIV FORUMS: Warned for grief tactics?! First Edition

[SturmChurro]

This really doesn't paint you in a very good light. If you can react this way to GM procedure I have no difficulty believing you would react the same way to someone in game.

If I wanted to grief somebody in a leveling dungeon, it certainly wouldn't be me turning off tank stance on a pull with 4 enemies that don't even do damage. Come on. I don't know why my tank stance was off, that's why I DIDN'T NOTICE. Either way, it may have not even have been that one that I got a warning for.

Anyway, how have I been reacting? Because I will start working with the GMs and do my part with the community and report everyone who is breaking the ToS? In the half a decade I have played FFXIV I have never ONCE reported a player. I can certainly start though. I do not apologize for it. I should be praised anyway, I would be doing my part keeping this community great!

First you said you DC'd, then "forgot to turn Tank Stance back on"
You said the party addressed it in chat
Then you said it happened during the first boss.

There's no scenario where Tank Stance drops there unless you turned it off.

I DCed during a boss, respawned at start, did one small pull, and immediately after I left the dungeon and logged off the game for several days.

[SturmChurro]

Um.

Step back. Breathe. Go do something or listen to something that makes you happy.

Fill out the Account Appeal. And know that they're probably going to say it was justified and you're going to have this mark stay on. It's not fair. They really do need to look into their policy because it's almost impossible with the vague description to know what action was wrong and thus be able to correct ourselves in the future.

But you want to handle this like an adult. Your reactions on this thread are making you sound like a petulant child.

I do not care how I sound like. Excuse me for having a real reaction on here, and vented a bit. I do not like marks like this on my account. Simple as that. It bothers me. I cannot stand it. I similarly have a spotless record in real life as well.

I do seriously doubt an appeal will do anything, as I do not know the circumstances. I do not know whether this is because I didn't raise somebody, or if it was due to me leaving a dungeon. It couldn't have been chat, since I rarely interact with anybody, especially not pugs.

The GM stating: "You do not need to know specific information." Is extremely concerning.

[TaleraRistain]

I do not care how I sound like. Excuse me for having a real reaction on here, and vented a bit. I do not like marks like this on my account. Simple as that. It bothers me. I cannot stand it. I similarily have a spotless record in real life as well.

I do seriously doubt an appeal will do anything, as I do not know the circumstances. I do not know whether this is because I didn't raise somebody, or if it was due to me leaving a dungeon. It couldn't have been chat, since I rarely interact with anybody, especially not pugs.

Probably won't. I got a 10 day vacation from here recently when I'd never even gotten a warning here or in game for calling someone a non-cursing name. You're probably never going to know anything further due to their privacy policy since they just stonewall you with policy statements. I'd do the appeal and see what happens, not expect much, and just try not to stress over it too much.

[SturmChurro]

Probably won't. I got a 10 day vacation from here recently when I'd never even gotten a warning here or in game for calling someone a non-cursing name. You're probably never going to know anything further due to their privacy policy since they just stonewall you with policy statements. I'd do the appeal and see what happens, not expect much, and just try not to stress over it too much.

Forum bans are different. They seem to be handed out like candy, and at random. Some people can get by with no issue saying curse words on here constantly, and then someone else will get a permaban for "profanity" for saying something once. You can get banned for slander for wording something the wrong way, etc.. However, an in-game account action is much worse, as these are much more likely to lead to the closure of your entire account. Something many of us have spent thousands of dollars on.

Sorry to be tough on you, it's clearly hurt you and I mean no ill intent at all.

From reading you on the forums for many years you say a lot of good truths, and you have a lot of good points. However, you do seem to have a pattern of rudeness to anyone with sub-optimal performance. Patience doesn't seem to be a strong point with you.



It would be worthwhile you reading back through some of your dungeon horror posts. You will see a number of posts you made that show a pattern that can lead to a greifing report.

Again, sorry to say it. You are a nice enough person, and you do seem to have an incredible number of bad parties, and the warning is sure to sting, I know mine did.

Please don't take any of that the wrong way.

Yes, I have little patience for people with sub-optimal performance. I don't hide that. However, I do not go out of my way to harass or grief them. I say nothing and leave the instance, or keep going with no word said in chat.

Me not wanting to hardcast raise someone, or trying to have DPS uptime, shouldn't result in account action. I am not griefing. If the ToS is going to respect a player who is contributing nothing, and pressing random keys or clicking random skills, and dying constantly, then my own playstyle should similarly be respected.

[TaleraRistain]

Forum bans are different. They seem to be handed out like candy, and at random. Some people can get by with no issue saying curse words on here consatntly, and then someone else will get a permaban for "profanity" for saying something once. You can get banned for slander for wording something the wrong way, etc.. However, an in-game account action is much worse, as these are much more likely to lead to the closure of your entire account. Something many of us have spent thousands of dollars on.

Any mark on your account can. I looked that up when I got the ban because I wondered if there was some sort of progression system.