Has anyone quit healing?

[Irenia]

I don't think quitting solved anything, frankly. I just wish I had the fun I used to have back with HW/SB kits.

That's the thing with quitting, you can't really do it to make a statement unless you can ensure most people will do it. And the forum population is completely dwarfed by the actual player population.

I just wish they would just talk about their intentions with healers. Even when they talked about them during the pre Media Tour live letter, it feels like it was out of necessity rather than anything else. Hell, Sage felt like it was shown up by not only Reaper, but Monk and Summoner too, and that is just sad.

[Hysterior]

Really? Because when I join PFs for savage lately as a Sage, everything fills up quickly except for a co-healer which usually takes 10ish minutes if not longer to get one.

Same on my server.
I play both healer types and I am usually the last one to complete a party by joining as Pure healer.
Barely have the chance to play Shield healer in PF raids.

[Rosenstrauch]

I wouldn't say I've quit healing—it's more like I've yet to even touch a Healer in Endwalker, aside from two awful experiences trying out Sage. The entire kit feels bloated to the point of absurdity, even in level 60/70 dungeons and raids.

White Mage used to be my go to, but looking at the new abilities it gets, even it is starting to look bloated to me.

[PaulH]

I circled the drain a few times but cannot say goodbye to scholar as it is my ARR main from beta. I have been playing redmage as a secondary job since SHB and I love it so I feel satisfied from keeping my healer main but also enjoying a dps lense on the game. So I think I have reached a harmony for myself.

[ty_taurus]

Same on my server.
I play both healer types and I am usually the last one to complete a party by joining as Pure healer.
Barely have the chance to play Shield healer in PF raids.

What blows is I see a lot of parties trying to enforce a pure/barrier duo which is currently ridiculous because SGE/SCH is incredibly strong. The only fight where it makes sense is P3S, specifically wanting an AST who can just skip Death's Toll with Macrocosmos.

[Risvertasashi]

What blows is I see a lot of parties trying to enforce a pure/barrier duo which is currently ridiculous because SGE/SCH is incredibly strong. The only fight where it makes sense is P3S, specifically wanting an AST who can just skip Death's Toll with Macrocosmos.

SGE+SCH is very strong, but overwriting each others shields feels terrible and wastes resources. In a PF environment, you're not as likely to get people saying "you shield this I'll shield that", particularly when you might need to chart that out 10 or 20 times over the course of a fight. Static are another story, where cohealers are more likely to at least communicate, if not have an actual spreadsheeting showing what mitigation is used where.

[ty_taurus]

SGE+SCH is very strong, but overwriting each others shields feels terrible and wastes resources. In a PF environment, you're not as likely to get people saying "you shield this I'll shield that", particularly when you might need to chart that out 10 or 20 times over the course of a fight. Static are another story, where cohealers are more likely to at least communicate, if not have an actual spreadsheeting showing what mitigation is used where.

I mean I guess that would be an issue if barrier heals were an essential part of SCH or SGE gameplay, but they're not. E. Prognosis and especially E. Diagnosis are my two least useful heals next to Pepsis. I really only use it to mitigate really nasty raid-wides in Savage that can threaten to kill someone, but if we have a SCH, and they're on top of those, then I pretty much just don't cast my barriers because why would I? There's still prepull, and situations like ACT II or FoF where I'm separated from the other healer, but beyond those I just DPS instead and rely on my actually important heals.

Meanwhile what we get in exchange is: higher healer DPS, more mitigation, constant regens with no DPS loss, and Expedient. That's not to say that AST can't replace either and do a fantastic job with their toolset, but that the "Problem" of SCH/SGE is irrelevant.

[Recon1o6]

Honestly because Sage's shields are so underwhelming, I tend to play Sage more as a regen healer between Kardion, Kerachole and Physis with Ixochole and Pneuma end up being the burst heals.

Hardly efficient use of Sage's healing kit, but for about 95% of the duties I did sage with as I levelled it, that was all I needed. Dirt cheap overaly strong aoe healing that didn't interrupt the constant press of my circle button whether aoe or single target (my dosis is mapped to R2-O and Dykrasia L2-O) against the pitiful amounts of incoming damage.


In savage a similar thing occurs only I toss in Panhaima and Holos once in a while. Eukrasian Diagnosis in p2s is purely so I gain Toxikon stacks during limit cut mechanic for when the group has to stretch their legs near the end of the fight.

One other exception: I used Panheima vs zodiark extreme for one or two of the styx depending on the group dps


I'm pretty much not playing sage now I finished levelling it. The standard start of expansion mess where I got to actually use some of my heals is pretty much over and with it so is my interest in Sage.

[Liam_Harper]

What blows is I see a lot of parties trying to enforce a pure/barrier duo which is currently ridiculous because SGE/SCH is incredibly strong. The only fight where it makes sense is P3S, specifically wanting an AST who can just skip Death's Toll with Macrocosmos.

I love seeing WHM party leaders excluding AST in P1 or P2s. Sure, turn down the healer that can almost solo heal the fight for you and bring a SCH who pays tax on their aether heals. You can be the tax comp.

SGE+SCH is very strong, but overwriting each others shields feels terrible and wastes resources. In a PF environment, you're not as likely to get people saying "you shield this I'll shield that", particularly when you might need to chart that out 10 or 20 times over the course of a fight. Static are another story, where cohealers are more likely to at least communicate, if not have an actual spreadsheeting showing what mitigation is used where.

To be fair, if both healers are spamming Shields it wouldn't matter if they were Pure + Shield instead, they'd just be spamming Medica II overheals. I have seen some absolutely dreadful WHM + Shield comps in PF, so that issue isn't really solved by restricting role. You're in trouble regardless if you get 2 GCD heal spammers.
There's also a reasonable chance that if a shield healer joins a PF knowing their co-heal is also a shield healer, they'll know what they're doing. Inexperienced players would avoid that party like the plague.

[ty_taurus]

Honestly because Sage's shields are so underwhelming, I tend to play Sage more as a regen healer between Kardion, Kerachole and Physis with Ixochole and Pneuma end up being the burst heals.

Hardly efficient use of Sage's healing kit, but for about 95% of the duties I did sage with as I levelled it, that was all I needed. Dirt cheap overaly strong aoe healing that didn't interrupt the constant press of my circle button whether aoe or single target (my dosis is mapped to R2-O and Dykrasia L2-O) against the pitiful amounts of incoming damage.


In savage a similar thing occurs only I toss in Panhaima and Holos once in a while. Eukrasian Diagnosis in p2s is purely so I gain Toxikon stacks during limit cut mechanic for when the group has to stretch their legs near the end of the fight.

One other exception: I used Panheima vs zodiark extreme for one or two of the styx depending on the group dps


I'm pretty much not playing sage now I finished levelling it. The standard start of expansion mess where I got to actually use some of my heals is pretty much over and with it so is my interest in Sage.

Holos, Panhaima, and Pneuma are all examples of good heals you want to hold onto in Savage. We have consistent healing in our Addersgall, Kardia, and Physis II, so we're able to largely keep the party healthy with those alone. Meanwhile, Holos, Panhaima, and Pnuema can be planned around having them ready for specific mechanics. The more familiar you get with the fight, the more you can use those heals as well, because you start memorizing the rhythm of the fight more.