When are we supposed to stop fighting?

[Pofruin]

Yes we do, you just answered it yourself. There were suffering people. We see this if you do the side quests in Elpis or even Pandaemonium with Lahabrea and Erich. Suffering was not some foreign concept. We see people who have the same qualms as Hermes however they’re able to work past it. Considering the sadness we’ve seen Elidibus exhibit, or anger that Emet does, there isn’t much that supports them as being devoid of most emotion. If anything they’re just better at keeping it in check than sundered races are.

I rather specifically mentioned them to not be emotionless, did I not? My point is not the lack of emotions but intensity of them. Coming up to clinically depressed person and telling him you know how it feels you also feel sad once in a while is bit delusional (and arsholish but thats not here nor there). The Ancient suffering is incomparable to Despair, for once they did experience it it broke them. (Case in point Emet in Elpis and Emet in ShB).

I do not discount Ancient capacity to feel. Rather their use of Creation magic afforded them so much comfort that anything more than minor inconveniences are uncommon. One could argue that Convocation grade Ancients are more emotionally resilient due to stress of their position. And they where significantly more resilient during Final Days also. But rank and file? Not so much.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I rather specifically mentioned them to not be emotionless, did I not? My point is not the lack of emotions but intensity of them. Coming up to clinically depressed person and telling him you know how it feels you also feel sad once in a while is bit delusional (and arsholish but thats not here nor there). The Ancient suffering is incomparable to Despair, for once they did experience it it broke them. (Case in point Emet in Elpis and Emet in ShB).

I do not discount Ancient capacity to feel. Rather their use of Creation magic afforded them so much comfort that anything more than minor inconveniences are uncommon. One could argue that Convocation grade Ancients are more emotionally resilient due to stress of their position. And they where significantly more resilient during Final Days also. But rank and file? Not so much.

While they did have comfort, we're shown time and time again that comfort does not buy happiness. Look at Erich with Pandemonium for example. He's clearly suffering, clearly in grief over his mother and the distancing from his father. It's very akin to how normal everyday people feel in situations like that,and while this is speculation, we will most likely learn that Lahabrea too is grieving for his wife. We see the despair break anyone it touches. Look at Thavnair and Garlemald for example. Even Fordola could hardly escape it. This is a bit away from my overall point though. I was merely giving my thoughts because another poster claimed they spent so long without any kind of suffering when we know factually this isnt the case.

In fairness, you've done a respectable job of sticking to the topic, which relates to suffering and resilience. Frustrations were high because the anti-Venat thinktank came in to take out their narcissistic aggression on forum posters, but they'll get bored soon enough.

I'd really rather we not namecall or insinuate things. It's childish and detrimental to the goal of the forums.