6.08 buffs, what´s the point?!

[Atmaweapon510]

MCH has far superior nDPS than Bard or Dancer, it doesn't need huge potency buffs.

What does nDPS have to do with anything when everyone is looking at this from an rDPS perspective? MCH is bottom tier and the only job in the game with 0 unique utility skills unlike even SAM or BLM who get Third Eye and Manaward.

MCH will also fall behind on scaling into the expansion, both because BRD/DNC raid buffs scale better based on the difference between the highest nDPS jobs from the lowest, and because Reassemble inherently devalues Crit and Direct hit the same way WAR's Inner release does, but without anything like MNK's chakra system to balance it out.

[LilyPendragon]

What does nDPS have to do with anything when everyone is looking at this from an rDPS perspective? MCH is bottom tier and the only job in the game with 0 unique utility skills unlike even SAM or BLM who get Third Eye and Manaward.

MCH will also fall behind on scaling into the expansion, both because BRD/DNC raid buffs scale better based on the difference between the highest nDPS jobs from the lowest, and because Reassemble inherently devalues Crit and Direct hit the same way WAR's Inner release does, but without anything like MNK's chakra system to balance it out.

Somebody's gotta be at the bottom. Should it be machinist? I don't know, but a job will invariably end up being at the bottom of the pile.

[SJWhat]

Somebody's gotta be at the bottom. Should it be machinist? I don't know, but a job will invariably end up being at the bottom of the pile.

It may sound selfish to say, but MCH should never be at the back of the pack on the virtue of it being a selfish DPS job. If it does not bring damage then it brings nothing a BRD/DNC does and more. This has more to do with the Range Role being flawed.

[Sqwall]

It may sound selfish to say, but MCH should never be at the back of the pack on the virtue of it being a selfish DPS job. If it does not bring damage then it brings nothing a BRD/DNC does and more. This has more to do with the Range Role being flawed.

I can't remember because it's been so long. Didn't MCH used to have a TP regen and MP regen spatial AOE on it's auto turrets?

[SJWhat]

MP and TP regen were a ranged role action that both BRD and MCH had until ShB removed them. MCH brought Vulnerability through it's turret but that was removed as well.

[Sqwall]

MP and TP regen were a ranged role action that both BRD and MCH had until ShB removed them. MCH brought Vulnerability though it's turret but that was removed as well.

RIGHT! That's what it was. Why can't they do something like that with the queen automaton? Or do SOMETHING like the 120 second rotation like bard's songs, but with FREAKING ROBOTS! Each brings something different or a specific robot adds something. Maybe call a certain automaton to extend the timer for Wildfire. Or maybe a automaton that also transfers 5 battery when damaging an enemy. Or a robot that gains the damage effect of Flamethrower or Bio Blaster when used on the automaton. Or MAYBE....finally give me SOUND BLASTER automaton, have it stun enemies like HOLY does.....but with DEEP BASS! Call it the dubstep automaton or something. The potential for MCH is so crazy

[wereotter]

MP and TP regen were a ranged role action that both BRD and MCH had until ShB removed them. MCH brought Vulnerability through it's turret but that was removed as well.

This isn't quite right.

Role actions weren't a thing until Stormblood, which at the same time as they launched also removed TP from the game. MP and TP regen before that were linked to the turrets on macinist. The rook turret could regenerate TP for the party, and the bishop turret could do the same for MP, but both would slowly drain MP from the machinist to have active, and the turrets would stop attacking while they were refreshing the party's resources.

[Zsolen]

This isn't quite right.

Role actions weren't a thing until Stormblood, which at the same time as they launched also removed TP from the game. MP and TP regen before that were linked to the turrets on macinist. The rook turret could regenerate TP for the party, and the bishop turret could do the same for MP, but both would slowly drain MP from the machinist to have active, and the turrets would stop attacking while they were refreshing the party's resources.

It was also used when the MCH was using dance emotes. Because why not?

[Tsumdere]

Somebody's gotta be at the bottom. Should it be machinist? I don't know, but a job will invariably end up being at the bottom of the pile.

Someone has to be at the bottom, but it shouldn't be MCH with no defensive or offensive utility at all. lmao.

[Reinha]

Somebody's gotta be at the bottom. Should it be machinist? I don't know, but a job will invariably end up being at the bottom of the pile.

Things like mobility (including dashes/charges), healer skills and party survivability skills should be taken into account imo.

Arguably the most powerful utility a dps job could have is the ability to raise others. SMN and RDM bring not only a raise, but also party heals and high mobility for themselves. They should be near, if not at the bottom.

Reaper, monk, dancer and bard (did I forget a job here) bring healing utility. The two latter jobs are able to attack from afar so they should probably do lower damage. BLM and MCH on the other hand don't bring healing utility, however MCH still has high mobility and both can fight from far away. BLM is more limited than the other 5 so it should so more dps, with reaper, monk and mch being close behind and DNC and BRD below them.

And lastly NIN, SAM and DRG don't bring healing abilities (afaik), they are melee with positionals and only contribute damage or damage buffs. Their rDPS should be at the top.

Since there aren't many raid bosses that require aoe damage, a job's aoe potential is probably not factored in.