The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[kaynide]

This is a privately owned game.. you signed an agreement to follow the rules, to not cheat and to do as SE says in order for you to be playing the game.

You are cheating, breaking rules or whatever you wanna call it by bypassing the randomness of the roulette. If you can't "conform" to the rules of the game then you shouldn't be playing. Your a cheater and rule breaker and shouldn't be allowed to continue to do so.

Show me this rule that is being broken, in specifics. Like “section 8, line 3” of the ToS or whatever.

If I were indeed breaking rules/cheating I would stop cheesing, but as is I believe I am using the system as it is allowing me to use it. It is disingenuous to call people doing this “cheaters” or “rule breakers”- even borderline slander, unless you can point to specifics.

You don’t have to like it, and I encourage you to send feedback to change the system, but until then hate the system, not the people using it as it was created.

[MaxCarnage]

This is a privately owned game.. you signed an agreement to follow the rules, to not cheat and to do as SE says in order for you to be playing the game.

You are cheating, breaking rules or whatever you wanna call it by bypassing the randomness of the roulette. If you can't "conform" to the rules of the game then you shouldn't be playing. Your a cheater and rule breaker and shouldn't be allowed to continue to do so.

I would also like to see this "rule" you keep claiming people are breaking. Put up or shut it.

[Kolaina]

This is a privately owned game.. you signed an agreement to follow the rules, to not cheat and to do as SE says in order for you to be playing the game.

You are cheating, breaking rules or whatever you wanna call it by bypassing the randomness of the roulette. If you can't "conform" to the rules of the game then you shouldn't be playing. Your a cheater and rule breaker and shouldn't be allowed to continue to do so.

Show me this rule. Don’t just make stuff up as you go. Proof or it doesn’t exist

[GDofLevin]

Did it ever occur to you that you could join other ARs using something besides the roulette? Right now people are needing Crystal Tower raids to obtain necessary materials for the Bozjan resistance weapons. And just today I got Dun Scaith to my luck. So others ARs are possible to attain.

[RyuDragnier]

Cause your fix of basing it off level causes more issues than people item cheesing to get a dungeon.

Except it doesn't.

You are level 60, but haven't unlocked the Mhach raids. You'll just get CT until you unlock them. You hit level 70 and have done the Mhach raids and CT raids, but haven't unlocked the Ivalice raids. You'll just get Mhach and CT raids. Somebody is level 70, but doesn't have the Mhach raids but has the Ivalice raids. They'll just get CT and Ivalice raids.

Tell me, where is the problem with this? It only throws you into things you've unlocked at the level you can do them at.

[kaynide]

Except it doesn't.

You are level 60, but haven't unlocked the Mhach raids. You'll just get CT until you unlock them. You hit level 70 and have done the Mhach raids and CT raids, but haven't unlocked the Ivalice raids. You'll just get Mhach and CT raids. Somebody is level 70, but doesn't have the Mhach raids but has the Ivalice raids. They'll just get CT and Ivalice raids.

Tell me, where is the problem with this? It only throws you into things you've unlocked at the level you can do them at.

This isn’t a bad call. The only problem I can see with it is just getting, say, 70 and needing to go from 69 280ish ilvl to the 350ish for the third in the raid series.

Maybe instead just require an ilvl based on level, so a level 70 need just be able to do the first in the series, but like 73 needs the ilvl for the third one. This would somewhat mirror the ilvl dropped in the 71/73 dungeons maybe.

[RyuDragnier]

This isn’t a bad call. The only problem I can see with it is just getting, say, 70 and needing to go from 69 280ish ilvl to the 350ish for the third in the raid series.

Maybe instead just require an ilvl based on level, so a level 70 need just be able to do the first in the series, but like 73 needs the ilvl for the third one. This would somewhat mirror the ilvl dropped in the 71/73 dungeons maybe.

Not a bad idea. It'd be a progression based thing just in case your ilvl isn't meeting the requirements on classes other than the first one you cleared them on.

[Packetdancer]

Did it ever occur to you that you could join other ARs using something besides the roulette? Right now people are needing Crystal Tower raids to obtain necessary materials for the Bozjan resistance weapons. And just today I got Dun Scaith to my luck. So others ARs are possible to attain.

But the issue is less "I want to be in a different alliance raid in this roulette" (though variety is nice) and more "If someone queues for an Ivalice raid directly, they can wait more than an hour for it to pop."

As an experiment, back before I got her to 5.3 (and thus had to go back and do the Crystal Tower raids to progress MSQ), I unlocked the Mhach and Ivalice raids on my alt that I was leveling through ShB to have a body to PF raid on separate from my static. When I queued into alliance roulette, even the roulette -- which could put me into six different raids! -- could take up to an hour or more to pop. My record was just short of three hours before I withdrew from queue because I needed to log off and do other things. And that was with six possible raids it could put me in, rather than just someone going "Okay, I'm ready to do Ridorana Lighthouse for the first time!" and queuing in directly.

When five of us queued for Ridorana to take some of the FC through the Ivalice raids for the first time, so they could unlock Bozja, it still took 45 minutes for the queue to pop. And that was when people were actively running the Ivalice raids to get access to Bozja.

Now, I will confess the 3-hour roulette wait was as a tank, which is always gonna be a little slower for alliance raid... but still, three hours? And of course, the moment I unlocked the Crystal Tower raids, her alliance roulette queue would pop near-instantly.

It seems to me that demonstrates that something ain't quite working as intended. Whether that's due to ilevel cheese or just a misjudgment about how many NA/EU players would unlock the other allliance raids is somewhat immaterial to the fact that the roulette is meant to funnel people where needed so that folks don't need to wait forever for the queue to pop when queuing for something directly, and demonstrably that does not work.

I can try to make my own 'alliance roulette' by selecting several raids manually, sure. But I'm limited to picking only five duties when doing that, and also I don't get the rewards for alliance roulette (which are intended to incentivize queuing in so that duties will pop faster for people queued directly for specific alliance raids, which... well, see above.)

Sure, "just queue into the specific alliance raid you want" is a viable solution to "I want to play things other than Crystal Tower". It is not, however, a viable solution to "this roulette needs to funnel people to the folks who queued for specific alliance raids and are stuck waiting an entire geological era for the duty to pop." Conversely, "if you want to just do Crystal Tower and not the other raids, just queue into Crystal Tower directly" does solve both problems ("I don't want to do other alliance raids", and "this roulette is not functioning as intended as it's being manipulated to ensure no other raids get filled consistently.").

But of course, folks aren't going to want to do that, because why would you queue into Crystal Tower directly without the roulette rewards, right?

[Scaramouche]

Of course you are going to wait for any non ARR raid there is a lot of new players to the point where SE stopped selling the game that are probably doing msq and not going out of their way to unlock optional content.
To get into Ivalice raid you need all 24 players to be at least 70 and have the raid unlock. The odds that at least 1 player does not met these requirements is quite high.

[Baxcel]

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Kay.. we will start with this line

■Prohibited Behavior in Final Fantasy XIV
In Final Fantasy XIV, obstructive behavior that has an adverse impact on other users' gameplay, or operation of service, is prohibited. Such behavior violates the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement and Square Enix Account Terms of Use.

Your effecting other players gameplay by breaking a system and forcing a random event into a non-random event.

■Nuisance behavior
"Nuisance behavior" is speech or behavior that hurts others or obstructs their gameplay, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not intended, a penalty may be issued if the end result was that another person was hurt, or their gameplay was obstructed. If the behavior was observed being conducted by multiple players, all involved members will be issued a penalty.

Your effecting people who are directly queueing into duties by draining all the resources in roulette away from their proper uses, which is suppose to be random to fill the people in need.

◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" refers to all behavior in general that obstructs another person's gameplay. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play.

・Obstructing the activities of others
Refers to any kind of obstructive behavior that prevents the activities of another player.

Once again blocking people from joining others in a random roulette by forcing the outcome into another one.

Misuse of bugs
"Misuse of bugs" refers to the deliberate exploitation of a fault/error in Final Fantasy XIV or manipulating a feature of Final Fantasy XIV so that it does not function as intended, in order to obtain personal gain or cause disadvantage to someone else.

Or you know the biggest one you guys love to ignore, your using this bug to choose what duty your getting from a process that's suppose to be random..

It literally says using a function as it wasn't intended for personal gain.. scrolling threw all these posts you guys all claim it's fastest for most rewards.. so your abusing a bug for personal gain of faster rewards.