The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[Reinha]

Misuse of bugs
... manipulating a feature of Final Fantasy XIV so that it does not function as intended, in order to obtain personal gain

Yup this is the one. I can't be bothered to report people for most things but I wish they would fix this oversight in a non-restrictive way, such as nerfing the rewards of those who aren't wearing level appropriate gear when queuing. You get free job gear at 80 and 90 that qualifies you for level 70 and 80 raids, and even at level 70 you should at least have adequate gear for level 60 raids. It would have no effect on people who aren't cheating.

[Azuri]

I have a sentimental attachment to my Ironworks set. And there is indeed no rule that obliges me to wear something you consider "more appropriate" at level 90.

[Cheremia]

I have a sentimental attachment to my Ironworks set. And there is indeed no rule that obliges me to wear something you consider "more appropriate" at level 90.

Glamour Prisms
ItemLevel restrictions

I would be really impressed if i could somehow see somebody do level 90 stuff in ironworks gear, not gonna lie...

But that sarcasm aside

I hate level 50, I hate level 50, I hate level 50, I hate level 50, I hate level 50

[Azuri]

Glamour Prisms
ItemLevel restrictions

I would be really impressed if i could somehow see somebody do level 90 stuff in ironworks gear, not gonna lie...

But that sarcasm aside

I hate level 50, I hate level 50, I hate level 50, I hate level 50, I hate level 50

But those are not genuine. It's like fake wearing a set. And of course I can't do all the content with that lovely set equipped. But I will always put it on wherever the game allows me.

[Cheremia]

But those are not genuine. It's like fake wearing a set. And of course I can't do all the content with that lovely set equipped. But I will always put it on wherever the game allows me.

You
I like and hate you for making me laugh and also giving me a headache at the same time

But take your glam prisms and go home! We have the Ironworks at home

[Menriq]

Kay.. we will start with this line

■Prohibited Behavior in Final Fantasy XIV
In Final Fantasy XIV, obstructive behavior that has an adverse impact on other users' gameplay, or operation of service, is prohibited. Such behavior violates the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement and Square Enix Account Terms of Use.

Your effecting other players gameplay by breaking a system and forcing a random event into a non-random event.

■Nuisance behavior
"Nuisance behavior" is speech or behavior that hurts others or obstructs their gameplay, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not intended, a penalty may be issued if the end result was that another person was hurt, or their gameplay was obstructed. If the behavior was observed being conducted by multiple players, all involved members will be issued a penalty.

Your effecting people who are directly queueing into duties by draining all the resources in roulette away from their proper uses, which is suppose to be random to fill the people in need.

◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" refers to all behavior in general that obstructs another person's gameplay. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play.

・Obstructing the activities of others
Refers to any kind of obstructive behavior that prevents the activities of another player.

Once again blocking people from joining others in a random roulette by forcing the outcome into another one.

Misuse of bugs
"Misuse of bugs" refers to the deliberate exploitation of a fault/error in Final Fantasy XIV or manipulating a feature of Final Fantasy XIV so that it does not function as intended, in order to obtain personal gain or cause disadvantage to someone else.

Or you know the biggest one you guys love to ignore, your using this bug to choose what duty your getting from a process that's suppose to be random..

It literally says using a function as it wasn't intended for personal gain.. scrolling threw all these posts you guys all claim it's fastest for most rewards.. so your abusing a bug for personal gain of faster rewards.

So, if we are following this as written, I can report people who die multiple times in a Duty Roulette for "obstructive behavior" because they are having an adverse impact on my gameplay? Just want to make sure that if we are going to enforce it in AR situations, we fairly apply it in all circumstances.

[Packetdancer]

Of course you are going to wait for any non ARR raid there is a lot of new players to the point where SE stopped selling the game that are probably doing msq and not going out of their way to unlock optional content.
To get into Ivalice raid you need all 24 players to be at least 70 and have the raid unlock. The odds that at least 1 player does not met these requirements is quite high.

I don't deny that Crystal Tower will always show up a disproportionate amount of times; as I have said before, including in this very thread, it is required for MSQ to get into Heavensward, and the free trial does include HW. The Mhachi raids are the only other thing free trial users have access to, and they aren't required for anything else (like the Ivalice raids are). Moreover, there are plenty of people who did not ever bother to unlock the other raids, so can only be put in those anyway.

But there are people in this thread defending the choice to deliberately, consciously manipulate the system even knowing it might screw others over by making folks who deliberately are queuing into specific later raids have to wait forever.

I don't know whether or not ilevel cheesing actually appreciably skews the queue; none of us have that sort of data. (Truthfully I doubt even the devs have that data, as I would be surprised if the roulette engine is tracking how often someone's ilevel is drastically below what's appropriate for their actual level.)

But at best it doesn't improve things.

And I strongly suspect those engaging in ilevel cheesing don't actually believe the roulette is so skewed that they'd never get other raids, and that ilevel cheesing has zero effect. After all, if they did genuinely believe that, they'd feel no need to cheese the queue to start with.

[Packetdancer]

So, if we are following this as written, I can report people who die multiple times in a Duty Roulette for "obstructive behavior" because they are having an adverse impact on my gameplay? Just want to make sure that if we are going to enforce it in AR situations, we fairly apply it in all circumstances.

I know you're being facetious, but I believe they've clarified it before as a matter of intent.

Someone dying repeatedly in a trial because they just don't get the fight would not be deliberate obstruction of your gameplay. Someone dying in a trial repeatedly because they're deliberately screwing up mechanics to wipe the party as they think that is funny? That actually would most likely count, yes.

It is exceedingly unlikely people just consistently somehow accidentally change into Ironworks gear every time they queue into Alliance roulette; even i this thread, folks unashamedly say they're doing so deliberately because Crystal Tower is the least amount of time for the same rewards.

So while I don't know if Square-Enix would treat it as a TOS violation, you can certainly make a solid argument that it is, especially as there's demonstrable intent to manipulate the system.

[Menriq]

I know you're being facetious, but I believe they've clarified it before as a matter of intent.

Someone dying repeatedly in a trial because they just don't get the fight would not be deliberate obstruction of your gameplay. Someone dying in a trial repeatedly because they're deliberately screwing up mechanics to wipe the party as they think that is funny? That actually would most likely count, yes.

It is exceedingly unlikely people just consistently somehow accidentally change into Ironworks gear every time they queue into Alliance roulette; even i this thread, folks unashamedly say they're doing so deliberately because Crystal Tower is the least amount of time for the same rewards.

So while I don't know if Square-Enix would treat it as a TOS violation, you can certainly make a solid argument that it is, especially as there's demonstrable intent to manipulate the system.

Which is a fair argument. However, if SE really felt like it was an issue, they would have addressed it by now just like they did with the MSQ not being able to skip cutscenes. Since this has been around for so long, it's not an unreasonable assumption that it's ok to continue to do. They haven't even came out with their soft handed "We know people do this, we please ask that you don't" type of response.

[kaynide]

Kay.. we will start with this line

■Prohibited Behavior in Final Fantasy XIV
In Final Fantasy XIV, obstructive behavior that has an adverse impact on other users' gameplay, or operation of service, is prohibited. Such behavior violates the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement and Square Enix Account Terms of Use.

Your effecting other players gameplay by breaking a system and forcing a random event into a non-random event.

■Nuisance behavior
"Nuisance behavior" is speech or behavior that hurts others or obstructs their gameplay, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not intended, a penalty may be issued if the end result was that another person was hurt, or their gameplay was obstructed. If the behavior was observed being conducted by multiple players, all involved members will be issued a penalty.

Your effecting people who are directly queueing into duties by draining all the resources in roulette away from their proper uses, which is suppose to be random to fill the people in need.

◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" refers to all behavior in general that obstructs another person's gameplay. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play.

・Obstructing the activities of others
Refers to any kind of obstructive behavior that prevents the activities of another player.

Once again blocking people from joining others in a random roulette by forcing the outcome into another one.

Misuse of bugs
"Misuse of bugs" refers to the deliberate exploitation of a fault/error in Final Fantasy XIV or manipulating a feature of Final Fantasy XIV so that it does not function as intended, in order to obtain personal gain or cause disadvantage to someone else.

Or you know the biggest one you guys love to ignore, your using this bug to choose what duty your getting from a process that's suppose to be random..

It literally says using a function as it wasn't intended for personal gain.. scrolling threw all these posts you guys all claim it's fastest for most rewards.. so your abusing a bug for personal gain of faster rewards.

Looks good, but there’s a lot of room for interpretation. I’d love to hear official word on this. Is it obstruction? Is it really causing an “adverse effect”? Is this even a bug?

In my brain, I’m using the system as it was designed- to me it feels “working as intended”.
Again, if I refuse to unlock the other raids on my alts, is that abuse?

I’m inclined to agree with the post above- there has been no word on this whatsoever, not even soft handed.

I’m not arguing against you- I asked and you put up your research. Again, would love to hear from the devs. For real- thank you for your response.