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  1. #71
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    Ethan Vayne
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    zenos is dead and i hope he stays dead. they could keep him alive and give him a redemption arc but at this point that just cheapens our duel at the end of endwalker.
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    Baby, tell me, what's your motive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erinellza View Post
    Many things, actually! Especially now that he took the time to travel to Sharlayan, not to attack people but to find a way to help us. (I'm forever salty I did not get to see what he said and did in Sharlayan). At the end he asked the WoL "Did you find fulfillment?" and then he said "I..." and died. This is up to the player, but I think he wanted to say he did not find fulfillment after all and he realized that fighting us endlessly for a moment of happiness is pointless. He was actually quite disappointed because he lost again. Plus he was the one who helped us get home, a suprising act of selflessness.

    And then there's the thing I linked in a previous post: why did Zenos dream about the Final Days and how is Emet-Selch involved? I have so many questions. They also never mentioned his lonely childhood in the game, only in an official book. Why was Varis so cold to him? Is it because he was an a-hole or is there something else to that story? There's a fan theory that Zenos is somehow an experiment of Emet and that's why Varis never loved him. Who knows? Zenos is a mysterious character and SE could do so much more... There are many possibilities.
    They clearly didn’t care enough about these possibilities to actually do anything with them in the three expansions he was in so I don’t know why you think it would be worth keeping him around for more. Also he didn’t go to Sharlyan with the intention of helping, he simply wanted to find us. If you pick the option “I don’t want your help” he even flat out says he’d rather not give it because he doesn’t care anything about that kind of stuff.
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  3. #73
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    Zenos coming back AGAIN after seeming death would be just a comedy with "how many times do we have to teach you this lesson"
    He fulfilled his wish, he's not a nice guy who loves to help. He's basically the WoL, if WoL didn't have his ties, friends and was only lead by pure anger, revenge and wish to fight.

    Zenos got his amazing fight breaking the limits and he died happy, even tho he is so far from lifestream and Etheirys he wont be able to be reborn eventually
    Let him rest already.
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  4. #74
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    I have to say, as much as it seems to me that narratively Zenos should stay dead, he has his fancy unique reaper avatar that we saw for all of five seconds – so unless it was originally intended to be more prominent and they changed the script after it was made, I think there must still be future plans for it and therefore him. Unless the avatar manages to come back on its own somehow.
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  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I have to say, as much as it seems to me that narratively Zenos should stay dead, he has his fancy unique reaper avatar that we saw for all of five seconds – so unless it was originally intended to be more prominent and they changed the script after it was made, I think there must still be future plans for it and therefore him. Unless the avatar manages to come back on its own somehow.
    The reaper job quests show that an avatar can possess the body of their partner. And Zenos's body is just left laying there in the void. It's entirely possible the avatar could take it for a ride and come back. But it really just feels like needlessly padding out the arc.
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  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I have to say, as much as it seems to me that narratively Zenos should stay dead, he has his fancy unique reaper avatar that we saw for all of five seconds – so unless it was originally intended to be more prominent and they changed the script after it was made, I think there must still be future plans for it and therefore him. Unless the avatar manages to come back on its own somehow.
    Not the first time it would happen. Beq Luqq had some monster form that was used for like 3 cutscenes, we still have that Emet clone room shown to us and being used only once to show how his body can't die on the Source. Lesser Ascians that are completely forgotten and seemingly even retconned after HW. That one Zenos' costume from ShB that was advertised like a huge spoilery deal, was postponed for release in Dissidia NT, because it would be a SPOILER, and then we saw Zenos wearing it in 2 cutscenes before he swapped to rpr.

    This game overall tends to add some details and plot points that are being used only for couple cutscenes and then they are thrown away completely.
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarnai View Post
    Not the first time it would happen. Beq Luqq had some monster form that was used for like 3 cutscenes, we still have that Emet clone room shown to us and being used only once to show how his body can't die on the Source. Lesser Ascians that are completely forgotten and seemingly even retconned after HW. That one Zenos' costume from ShB that was advertised like a huge spoilery deal, was postponed for release in Dissidia NT, because it would be a SPOILER, and then we saw Zenos wearing it in 2 cutscenes before he swapped to rpr.
    In those cases it's because they're getting use out of the model in some other way. Beq Lugg is the first boss of the dungeon. The Solus clones are copy-paste of an existing model. The Dissidia model got used for that.

    Zenos's avatar might be use on par with a boss model, but I didn't really see it at all in that last fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erinellza View Post
    And he did many fun things in the expansions, there's always room for more.
    Yeah, remember how he killed messengers who brought him bad news, and brutalized two entire nations just looking for someone to fight, and tortured Krile for mad science, and hijacked a dragon just to make a fight bigger, and killed himself, and then killed his dad, and started an apocalypse? Good times, good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    Yeah, remember how he killed messengers who brought him bad news, and brutalized two entire nations just looking for someone to fight, and tortured Krile for mad science, and hijacked a dragon just to make a fight bigger, and killed himself, and then killed his dad, and started an apocalypse? Good times, good times.
    Yeah, but he also helped saved the Universe. When you think about it, he killed way less people than Emet-Selch/Ascians and Venat.
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    Last edited by myahele; 01-17-2022 at 03:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    Yeah, but he also helped saved the Universe. When you think about it, he killed way less people than Emet-Selch/Ascians and Venat.
    He didn't care about saving the universe. He cared about getting us past other distractions so we could face him fair and square. And being a killer at a smaller scale doesn't make him not a killer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erinellza View Post
    People are different. These are actually some of the things I like about him. lol
    So.....you like that he's a mass-murdering sociopath?
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