Zenos is... [big fat spoily]

[Aneshda]

I love Zenos, cause he is not 0815. Sure he did bad things, but that's the point in beeing a Villain or not? If I could ... gosh all Scions would be dead already. Would be nice to choose the dark side and not beeing always the good Bringer of Light.

[Elysidelphi]

I love Zenos, cause he is not 0815. Sure he did bad things, but that's the point in beeing a Villain or not? If I could ... gosh all Scions would be dead already. Would be nice to choose the dark side and not beeing always the good Bringer of Light.

That sounds so good to me. "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." That might just fit our WoL. I'd love an expansion and some patches where the WoL becomes the villain. The "fallen hero" trope, gosh, I love it when it's done well. And it's also quite rare in media; it's rare to have your protagnoist become the antagonist and still make sense. But when it happens and it's done well...chef's kiss

[Elysidelphi]

...still alive.

We thought he was dead when he merked himself in Ala Mhigo, but we learned that, similarly to that one fish man who turned into aether and possessed another one of his kind after being shot by Tall Trenchcoat Lady, he was able to do the same with a Garlean soldier in order to reclaim his body.

Who's to say that he didn't do the same with a random Loporrit onboard the Ragnarok... or worse, the Warrior of Light?

We did do that creepy smirk thing back to him during the final battle. I think he already wormed his way into our head, made us susceptible to be used as a vessel to carry him back to Hydaelyn (the planet, not the god).

Get ready for Zenos for three more expansions!

Yep, I agree! I want to see him back, alive and well, but not as a villain again, and not just because he wants to fight the WoL all the time. I want a redemption/rehabilitation arc for him, one that he survives.

It would be even more fun if the roles were somewhat reversed, and if the WoL becomes a villain/antagonist and Zenos becomes good and has to help the WoL "see the light" again. So much could be done with such a plot.

[gumas]

i also feel that zenos still alive, either alive "well" or alive in some way (maybe like half dead or in spirit form or "hijacking" other body"

like he just.... flat down the "floor" just like that? no blood, no glitter disappearing effect, no excruciating pain or anything like that.

just... laying down there just like that

[Sathona]

Gaius couldnt go to Garlemald even if he wanted to cause he was accused for Varis's death. If Zenos was to come back, travelling with him would be kinda "worry".

I dont think he will come back tbh, even if i liked him this expansion as he showed progress as a character, hes probably dead and theres no nearby hosts for him to take over in that zone.

His Avatar may return using his body tho, we know they are capable of taking over their hosts bodies completely from the RPR questline.

[Avatre]

Gaius couldnt go to Garlemald even if he wanted to cause he was accused for Varis's death. If Zenos was to come back, travelling with him would be kinda "worry".

I dont think he will come back tbh, even if i liked him this expansion as he showed progress as a character, hes probably dead and theres no nearby hosts for him to take over in that zone.

His Avatar may return using his body tho, we know they are capable of taking over their hosts bodies completely from the RPR questline.

Can you elaborate on how you feel he made progress as a character? I felt he was the exact same megalomaniac as he was back in StB, driven only by his desire to fight someone of equal or better skill. The only reason he "helped" us was so that nobody else got to kill us, and so that we wouldn't be distracted by something bigger when we finally did decide to kick his sorry ass

[AnotherPerson]

Gaius couldnt go to Garlemald even if he wanted to cause he was accused for Varis's death. If Zenos was to come back, travelling with him would be kinda "worry".

I dont think he will come back tbh, even if i liked him this expansion as he showed progress as a character, hes probably dead and theres no nearby hosts for him to take over in that zone.

His Avatar may return using his body tho, we know they are capable of taking over their hosts bodies completely from the RPR questline.

I'm still salty at how we just "enshroud" in the gameplay after being told enshroud is bad in the storyline, and our Avatar didn't do anything unique that makes it protect us against other Avatars to justify enshrouding us.

[Sarnai]

I'm still salty at how we just "enshroud" in the gameplay after being told enshroud is bad in the storyline, and our Avatar didn't do anything unique that makes it protect us against other Avatars to justify enshrouding us.

I'm both happy and sad that Avatar job questline doesn't elaborate on how RPR work at all.
Good thing is that we are free to headcanon those things
Bad thing is that we HAVE to headcanon because there is no information at all on how it works and what are pros/cons. The're just "oh you could die if you cant control your voidsent, good luck with that" as opposed to DRK which actually taught you to use your emotions and darkness to do good and not being consumed by pain and suffering.

[Kisshu]

I'm still salty at how we just "enshroud" in the gameplay after being told enshroud is bad in the storyline, and our Avatar didn't do anything unique that makes it protect us against other Avatars to justify enshrouding us.

Such a weird questline that really doesn't want to commit any job abilities in the story, it's just "Here's a stone and scythe, you're a w̶i̶z̶a̶r̶d̶, ̶H̶a̶r̶r̶y̶ Reaper now"

I get that they've moved away from quests being linked to / featuring abilities since around SB, but it leaves the quests and jobs feel rather divided.

[Axious]

FFXI you fight Shinryu in a very similar area where Zenos is currently located.

It would be interesting if that was an introduction to a story arc for FFXI Abyssea expansion.

Zenos may still be alive.