Mods and cheat engine

[IckeDerTyp]

Developers should implement ingame solutions that is going to prevent people from messing with the game (access to non-default functions, emotes and such that other people can see and interract with).

This. Very much this.

/thread? ^^

[LittleImp]

Even RNG mechanics have a visual action the boss makes before the move is executed or it has a cast bar.

Cactbot can intercept network packets and predict some of these mechanics before the visual or castbar is executed client-side. This is something that is 100% impossible for a human shot-caller to do.

Cactbot can make 8 individual callouts simultaneously, giving separate instructions to each user that has it installed based on things like specific debuffs and such. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot makes callouts instantaneously and never makes mistakes, even in fights that a group is brand new to. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot displays a text overlay on your screen with specific instructions for some mechanics, as well as having a graphical timeline of all upcoming mechanics with their exact timestamps.

But in reality there is no difference between cactpot/act calling out a mechanic and a person over discord calling out a mechanic.

Cactbot is cheating, and has created a generation of useless players that sandbag extremely hard on patch days.

[Rolder50]

"It was just harmless sitting!!" They cried and shouted as XIV installed it's 10th layer of great value game guard brand malware to purity test your client and PC.

On the real I think people using cheat engine for sitting are goofy af, a little bit of searching and you'll see there's ways to get the exact same results just in Gpose and client side only instead. ya'll should just admit you only use the cheat engine version because you wanna be seen and get that sick limsa clout.

Ehh, it's not really the same. With the sit thing, you can do it once with cheat engine and never have to do it again, or you can do it with gpose where you have to do it every single time plus getting the rotations and angles right each time.

[Packetdancer]

Using Cactbot makes you a bad player change my mind.

Relying on Cactbot makes you a careless player. But relying on a human raid caller does the same thing.

A raid caller -- whether automated or human -- should be a sanity check on your own read of mechanics, not a drill sergeant whose orders you blindly follow.

Sure, Cactbot can read a mechanic earlier than a human can in some cases. On the other hand, as I understand it there are mechanics Cactbot can't read/call in a sane manner, so will just be like "Do the mechanic now!" where a human could actually give better guidance. (Witness I've seen people blindly following Cactbot in P1S who die to Shackles of Time during Shining Cells consistently, and I've been told it's because Cactbot calls that in some sort of weird way.)

So it seems like there's places Cactbot will absolutely be better than a human raid caller, and there's places it'll also potentially be worse. And if you're relying on one rather than reading the mechanics for yourself, it seems like fundamentally the same problem to me regardless of whether it's Cactbot you're blindly following or, well, me.

I mean, the reason I raid-call is that it forces me to learn the fight's timeline and mechanics well enough that I can call them for other people. But I tend to assume they're going to be treating my callouts as reminders or a sanity-check, not as something they should blindly follow without question.

[Rankina]

Today I did see some fellow players that was using Cheat Engine to be able to sit on places there they should not be able to sit. Told the person in a very polite way it's not smart using Cheat Engine. And they start defending the use of it. No one cares etc. They make me the bad person. What direction is this going to take if Square Enix won't stop this for good? Will everyone just not care and install and use 3.party software and be able to do whatever they want? What will be next? Teleporting to all mining nodes? Making character fly if you have not unlocked flying?

Stop harassing other players

[JanVanding]

I wasn’t aware people who do call outs are able to read hidden triggers in the client’s files to call out RNG mechanics before the animation even happens. It’s cheating….how is this not obvious? Why do people defend this?

Going back and reading people’s comments on these things, calling them “calculators” or “crutches”. It’s like people are intentionally ignoring the fact that these plugins tell you mechanics before the game gives visual indicators for mechanics. It’s cheating, it literally hacks the game’s files and reads hidden triggers that the fight designers don’t want the player to know. Instead of looking where the bad thing is coming from, it tells you where it’s coming from before you’re even humanly able to know where it’s coming from.

It’s so incredibly simple what these things are yet people just seem to love defending them and disagreeing with people who call it out.

Except it doesn't and I don't know where this idea that Cactbot does that came from.

It flashes up a bit of text like a WoW raid caller and doesn't literally go "YOU MUST MOVE TO THIS SPOT, YOU MUST MOVE TO THAT SPOT" it simply flashes the text up of what you would read anyway on boss cast bars or icon debuffs. It doesn't tell you anything else and some mechanics it tells you nothing at all.

[JanVanding]

Relying on Cactbot makes you a careless player. But relying on a human raid caller does the same thing.

A raid caller -- whether automated or human -- should be a sanity check on your own read of mechanics, not a drill sergeant whose orders you blindly follow.

Sure, Cactbot can read a mechanic earlier than a human can in some cases. On the other hand, as I understand it there are mechanics Cactbot can't read/call in a sane manner, so will just be like "Do the mechanic now!" where a human could actually give better guidance. (Witness I've seen people blindly following Cactbot in P1S who die to Shackles of Time during Shining Cells consistently, and I've been told it's because Cactbot calls that in some sort of weird way.)

So it seems like there's places Cactbot will absolutely be better than a human raid caller, and there's places it'll also potentially be worse. And if you're relying on one rather than reading the mechanics for yourself, it seems like fundamentally the same problem to me regardless of whether it's Cactbot you're blindly following or, well, me.

I mean, the reason I raid-call is that it forces me to learn the fight's timeline and mechanics well enough that I can call them for other people. But I tend to assume they're going to be treating my callouts as reminders or a sanity-check, not as something they should blindly follow without question.

this is true.

Shining Cells it calls out the colour only (which you can literally see being casted anyway) and no text for the flails, you have to figure that out yourself.

The element stacks, it will only give you the colour you are debuffed by and nothing else, it will not solve the puzzle for you, you have to do that yourself.

Fourfold it will give you the debuff description as you get it (i.e 18S) it's up to you to solve it and it won't solve it for you.

It's basically just giving you the information you already have in a more easy to quick read format.

[Apeachs]

Stop harassing other players

It's not harassing other players. Please read the Rules & Policies as a reminder.

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

2.6 Hacking and Circumvention. You may not hack, disassemble, decompile, or otherwise modify the Game or server computer code, whether the Game code is located on a DVD, Blu-rayTM disc, your computer/console or on Square Enix's servers, except as expressly permitted by Square Enix or applicable law.

[JanVanding]

Cactbot can intercept network packets and predict some of these mechanics before the visual or castbar is executed client-side. This is something that is 100% impossible for a human shot-caller to do.

Cactbot can make 8 individual callouts simultaneously, giving separate instructions to each user that has it installed based on things like specific debuffs and such. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot makes callouts instantaneously and never makes mistakes, even in fights that a group is brand new to. A human shot-caller cannot do this.

Cactbot displays a text overlay on your screen with specific instructions for some mechanics, as well as having a graphical timeline of all upcoming mechanics with their exact timestamps.



Cactbot is cheating, and has created a generation of useless players that sandbag extremely hard on patch days.

Say you've never seen Cactbot in use without saying it.

[MintnHoney]

Cactbot is cheating, and has created a generation of useless players that sandbag extremely hard

Yes, that's the reason. Uh huh.