Mods and cheat engine

[LittleImp]

You know it is normal to fail mechs you see for the first time on patch day? I don't ever use cactbot, yet I still need some time for a mech to click for me and may "sandbag extremely hard" when I need more time to understand what just happened. Hell, even not on patch day and with guides released we still can go "why did I die" in savage ver just because sometimes game itself can blurp and one shot fully mitigated tank because of server lag.

So cactbot isn't at fault that people fail content they see for the first time lmao

You don't actually understand what I'm saying.

SE makes alterations to the game during even minor patches, which causes the FFXIV parsing plugin to break. It then has to be manually updated by its maintainer, and tested by the community before being released. This process has accelerated over the past few years, but can take anywhere from like 4 to 12 hours.

During this time, Cactbot does not work, including in content that has already been available for months. I've literally been in a static that would cancel Tuesday raids if there was maintenance, because some of the members were not confident enough to get reclears while Cactbot wasn't working

[Melorie]

I'm impressed by how much energy people waste by hating on things that hardly impact on their gameplay and going into a fantasy witch-hunt against people using it. That paranoia is impressive, really. Don't you have, like, literally anything better to do?

However, yeah, I also feel like cactbot is kinda cheating. But is cheating in a game with zero competitive aspect even relevant?

[JanVanding]

I've literally read through Cactbots public sourcecode and basically all of its documentation. I also dabbled in manually writing triggers for similar plugins like trigonometry way back in the day when I was newer to the game.

You just don't like the idea that it's cheating because acceptance of that fact would probably devalue your own accomplishments.

Is weak auras cheating in WoW?

Well?

Oh no it isn't.

I play the game perfectly fine without it, thank you very much.

put it this way, watching a video, using any resources that explains mechanics and having diagrams up on another screen or phone would be cheating in your eyes and that's the problem here isn't it?

You're not actually mad about Cactbot, you're mad that other people are raiding and you don't want them in your exclusive club.

Hell markers would be cheating in your opinion and I've cleared stuff with no markers either, but you stay salty and wrapped in your little world of hateful spite, the rest of us will just play the game and enjoy progressing.

Don't much care about your devalued titles which others have gotten through ACTUAL cheating, you know getting someone else to actually pilot their character? That to me is a far bigger problem than a Weak Auras style prompt.

[LittleImp]

Is weak auras cheating in WoW?

Well?

No, because Blizzard openly condones those plugins and even offers a rich API to facilitate them working, whereas SE expressly forbids their use. In cases where addons have run afoul of the devs vision in WoW, they've shut them down. You probably should have spent more time thinking that one over lmao.

I play the game perfectly fine without it, thank you very much.

/doubt

put it this way, watching a video, using any resources that explains mechanics and having diagrams up on another screen or phone would be cheating in your eyes and that's the problem here isn't it?

How are these two things even comparable? Guides don't offer active, dynamic assistance based on exactly what is going on in your personal game instance. You are stretching waaay too hard.

Hell markers would be cheating in your opinion and I've cleared stuff with no markers either, but you stay salty and wrapped in your little world of hateful spite, the rest of us will just play the game and enjoy progressing.

Don't much care about your devalued titles which others have gotten through ACTUAL cheating, you know getting someone else to actually pilot their character? That to me is a far bigger problem than a Weak Auras style prompt.

Markers are... a feature of the game. Not a third party piece of software, explicitly prohibited by the company that runs the game. >.>

You're not actually mad about Cactbot, you're mad that other people are raiding and you don't want them in your exclusive club.

No, I teach people raids all the time and shotcall for pugs. I don't like Cactbot because it doesn't actually empower players, it actively makes them worse and builds unhealthy reliance. Most of my opinion about Cactbot actually comes from time I've spent mentoring people, and the problems I've observed around its use.

[KageTokage]

It's not harassing to ask players to stop doing something illegal.

Please read the Rules & Policies as a reminder.

As much as I wish that was the case, the whole "innocent until proven guilty" factor means you are much more likely to get punished for calling out an obvious cheater then they are for cheating.

[JanVanding]

No, because Blizzard openly condones those plugins and even offers a rich API to facilitate them working, whereas SE expressly forbids their use. In cases where addons have run afoul of the devs vision in WoW, they've shut them down. You probably should have spent more time thinking that one over lmao.



/doubt



How are these two things even comparable? Guides don't offer active, dynamic assistance based on exactly what is going on in your personal game instance. You are stretching waaay too hard.



Markers are... a feature of the game. Not a third party piece of software, explicitly prohibited by the company that runs the game. >.>



No, I teach people raids all the time and shotcall for pugs. I don't like Cactbot because it doesn't actually empower players, it actively makes them worse and builds unhealthy reliance. Most of my opinion about Cactbot actually comes from time I've spent mentoring people, and the problems I've observed around its use.

word salad to say you also don't condone ACT either.

or any mods at all for that matter.

Yep, found the Gate Keeper masquerading as something else.

[kejakalope]

word salad to say you also don't condone ACT either.

or any mods at all for that matter.

Yep, found the Gate Keeper masquerading as something else.

Please come back with that set of goalposts, other people were using them.

[LittleImp]

word salad to say you also don't condone ACT either.

or any mods at all for that matter.

Yep, found the Gate Keeper masquerading as something else.

Lord, at this rate we're going to have aimbotters crying they're being gatekept.

[MintnHoney]

Not a third party piece of software, explicitly prohibited by the company that runs the game. >.>

Just to point out, no specific third party software is explicitly prohibited by the company, at least to my knowledge, although certain kinds of party software is unappreciated and certain behaviors created with or referenced by certain third party software has been discussed and mentioned as being "not allowed, BUT..."
If you were trying to say that third party software in general is prohibited by the company, or that third party software that affects the game in general is prohibited by the company, then that would also be untrue, considering that they're even currently advertising 3rd party software that affects the game in a general way.

No, I teach people raids all the time and shotcall for pugs. I don't like Cactbot because it doesn't actually empower players, it actively makes them worse and builds unhealthy reliance. Most of my opinion about Cactbot actually comes from time I've spent mentoring people, and the problems I've observed around its use.

Reliance on a third party, even a player in-game, is still reliance, and can lead to "unhealthy behaviors." While cactbot might not "empower players," if it behaves the way you say it does, then it just removes the need for the person explaining and marking for that specific player, and possibly the need to watch video or read documented guides in order to play.
So basically, the difference is that the program takes the place of the person who would do these things instead, and does so in a way that's, perhaps, more succinct and emotionless, vs the potentially more or less understanding and scrutinizing person who may be able to provide additional insight while providing what they believe to be "empowerment" for the player in question.

For some people, they'd rather not have to deal with the player who's trying to "empower" them, or they would prefer to have both. I can't fault anyone either way, because, in the end, the end-game is about the choreography of the fight, so once the steps are learned, it's just about continuing the dance until fatigue no longer permits it. How one goes about learning the steps, in a high-level setting of memorization, really shouldn't be a bother.
But that's just my opinion.

[JadedPurity]

Worse things have been going on for years, but no. Ledge sitting is the straw that breaks the camels back. You ppl have wierd priorities.