Yoshi-P Statement on Player Feedback

[Deceptus]

From what I remember from this Media Tour interview, the "we had no clue about it" part was concerning Blood Weapon and not LD. At this point I'm pretty sure they are fine with LD situation as a design choice and won't ever change it.

As for the Blood Weapon situation, it kinda feels like (and the interviews during Media Tour where mrHappy asked about MCH and ping issues too) they are completely ignorant of high ping issues. Like, the feedback probably gets to them, they try to test it out while sitting on top of the server and they go like "uh, no, this is fine". Which is, I agree, not excusable.

And that right there shows the extreme disconnect between the developers and the players.

They're fine with Living Dead. Healers other than White Mages? Despise it with a passion.

It's a desperation move aimed at discrediting someone's criticism. It's a fallacy called "Appeal to accomplishment" and it's a type of logical fallacy, so their argument is immediately considered invalid.

Appeal to Accomplishment mixed in with some Appeal to Authority as well.

Appeal to Accomplishment (also known as: appeal to success)

Description: When the argument being made is sheltered from criticism based on the level of accomplishment of the one making the argument. A form of this fallacy also occurs when arguments are evaluated on the accomplishments, or success, of the person making the argument, rather than on the merits of the argument itself.

Appeal to Authority

You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.

It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However, it is entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not.

[Quintessa]

Yeah, I disagree with the devs' design philosophy on healers. They seem to believe spending 80%+ of an encounter casting one spell over and over and over again is "fun". I think someone would have to either A) not play the role in any real capacity at all, and/or B) not care about the role beyond unlocking it and making sure it's barebones capable of clearing content and nothing more.

I don't mind this actually. I do wish they would bring back Aero III though.

Criticism is part of creation. Especially when your creation is only partly working for weeks upon weeks.

I don't like several choices in Endwalker. I will discuss that criticism. I won't be hyperbolic, but I also won't shy away from being genuine. Some of that criticism is directly related to choices the dev team make that negatively impact my sort of player to boost another sort of player (especially for healers...).

Of course, I'm an English player, so the chance of any developer reading my words is 0%. But I did give polite feedback in the form of canceling my sub, which I guess is bilingual.

I don't know about the rest of the team, but there's definitely signs/indications that the man himself reads these forums. I recall sometime back some suggested that /lean emote(well they called it something else) and sure enough it was implemented. Also the loads of updates he provided over the course of December was no doubt due to outcries on these forums as the JP servers don't have queue issues.

...I can bring up more examples but you get the point.

It's been said the team also reads r/ffxiv but there's no physical proof that I can find, unlike these forums(and of course that's because these are the official FINAL FANTASY XIV Forums).

[Kaurhz]

And that right there shows the extreme disconnect between the developers and the players.

They're fine with Living Dead. Healers other than White Mages? Despise it with a passion.



Appeal to Accomplishment mixed in with some Appeal to Authority as well.

nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence - Ad-hominem attacks on work ethic are neither, but mere conjecture. This applies well to the myriad of server issues. Both for and against the developers. Particularly when such comments are being made that they do not care about the state of their servers, when the myriad of updates, including the addition of new servers since as long as SB. In this instance I would be willing to side with the developers on the basis of historical account when it comes to server issues, than some conspiracist on the forums that strongly believes they aren't adding servers simply because they "Just don't care". I'm not going to side with someone on the forum for the sake of it until someone has either empirical evidence to suggest otherwise e.g. error 2002

But whilst we're on the topic of these. I would first and foremost point out argumentum ad logicam. The argument itself or the premise of the argument may have been badly adopted but the conclusion that 'critiquing the character or morals of a developer as it pertains to their work ethic, within a field that they may or may not have any experience in bad faith comments' is a perfectly valid conclusion. This equally neatly ties into the Ad-hominem fallacy. Wherein people are more inclined to attack the character, morals or ethos of an individual rather than the argument - Or in this case rather than simply addressing the underlying issue which is neither effort, nor work ethos but simply a matter of design philosophies. Which is arguably more of an ongoing trend with the development team than simple "laziness or content cuts".

[Jybril]

Considering the way "feedback" is presented here I wouldn't read it either.

Feedback for this forum in is near pointless because all everyone does is get the pitchforks and torches ready.
Some feedback is legit but then you'll have someone say something then it devolves into some forum PvP battle and
I'm sure the devs give us the Emet wave and walk away because no one is civil enough and not wanting to bother sifting through the nonsense.

[Snorky]

Feedback for this forum in is near pointless because all everyone does is get the pitchforks and torches ready.
Some feedback is legit but then you'll have someone say something then it devolves into some forum PvP battle and
I'm sure the devs give us the Emet wave and walk away because no one is civil enough and not wanting to bother sifting through the nonsense.

This is my point, I just quit reading if someone starts insulting players or devs it just doesn't interest me that much and even if they typed a paragraph of good feedback it's lost to me when the insults begin. It tells me one thing about the person posting they can not make a point without getting personal. So they point they make has no value to me. I would imagine anyone in any conversation (mostly) would turn off at that point, unless the person just wants to argue and be right even if they are wrong. That's how I see it. I repeat lazy is a derogatory term and if someone calls me that I take offense just like any normal person would.

[Lunalepsy]

Falling in line!

[Lauront]

Prophetic!

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5df715e53bd2fa

[kpxmanifesto]

However, it is entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not.

Precisely. That's why the whole "you need to be an expert on something to have an opinion on something" argument falls flat.

[Kaurhz]

Precisely. That's why the whole "you need to be an expert on something to have an opinion on something" argument falls flat.

It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However, it is entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not.

I feel like you should probably elect to read the full excerpt before trying to assert the validity of an argument. This is inclusive of the emboldened parts of said excerpt. The problem with creating the validity of an argument on the premise of whether one falls under is that you end up being fallacious in itself with argumentum ad logicum.

If you are trying to present conjecture as sole fact then it falls on the merit of your own empirical evidence, qualifications, or experience to support the basis for your conjecture, otherwise your argument will result in naught but conjecture, calling an individual lazy or incompetent is a very bold claim. That expectancy is not appeal to authority regardless of how hard you want to double down on it.

[kpxmanifesto]

??

This is an incorrect use of argumentum ad logicam. What you're doing right now is trying to use argumentum ad logicam to disprove that the appeal to accomplishment/authority is a logical fallacy itself. That's not how that works, but I have a feeling you already know that. It was a nice try though.